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"Woman who halted gender transition sues child clinic"

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Igneococcus · 23/01/2020 06:16

Times article today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-who-halted-gender-transition-sues-child-clinic-q3cmlgzpt?shareToken=a43d9222b5359b6619b05b773d13a1a4

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BovaryX · 23/01/2020 06:32

This is also being reported in The Telegraph.The 23 year old woman describes being put on a tortuous, permanent, unnecessary medical path.

^I have become a claimant in this case because I do not believe that children and young people can consent to the use of powerful and experimental drugs like I did. Hormone changing drugs and
surgery does not work for everyone and it certainly should not be offered to someone under the age of 18 when they are emotionally and mentally vulnerable^

BovaryX · 23/01/2020 06:36

It is really good to see this getting widespread coverage in multiple newspapers. It is imperative that people are aware of what is going on and the sub rosa aspect of this is unveiled.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/22/former-transgender-patient-tells-court-sex-change-clinic-putting/

Clymene · 23/01/2020 06:37

What a brave woman. I don't understand the bIt about Sue Evans not being the lead complainant though. I didn't realise you could drop people like that. Is it because they think it's a stronger case if it's led by an ex patient rather than a former clinician?

FredaFrogspawn · 23/01/2020 06:39

Successful litigation is the only thing which will bring in better research and controls on the treatment of children. She is brave.

SarahTancredi · 23/01/2020 06:46

I.wish them luck. I really do. What a brave thing to do. I hope they all have the support they need to get through what will likely be a.tough case. There are so many people who just wont wanna hear it see this.

Please know we are right behind you Flowers

donquixotedelamancha · 23/01/2020 06:50

Is it because they think it's a stronger case if it's led by an ex patient rather than a former clinician?

Probably. The other patient involved has not yet suffered harm and was being kept anonymous because they are young. Seems to make more sense to have someone who has come out the other end of the process and is less vulnerable. I infer that everyone else is still involved, just not the lead.

RuffleCrow · 23/01/2020 06:51

About bloody time!

donquixotedelamancha · 23/01/2020 06:51

What a brave woman. This. Some real courage there.

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/01/2020 06:53

Wow this has the potential to be big. She is very brave to take the lead position and the trans lobby will do everything they can to draw attention away from cases like this. I hope the general public follow this closely. It may or may not be successful, but every court case, especially from detransitioners is going to help put the breaks on the trans juggernaut.

Dreamprincess · 23/01/2020 06:59

Clymene

The Telegraph gives this reason:

"Ms Bell, a former student, was originally supposed to be supporting Ms Evans’ case as a witness. However she has now become a “substitute” for Ms Evans as the lead claimant following a change in the former nurses’ personal circumstances. "

My best wishes to Ms Evans

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 23/01/2020 07:02

Good on her for challenging this. If the question of ethics won't stop these dark experiments on children, then hopefully litigation will.

Clymene · 23/01/2020 07:03

Thank you @Dreamprincess
I also send my best wishes to Ms Evans. I really hope they know much support they all have. It takes immense courage to do this, particularly Ms Bell who mist be getting all kinds of grief from the baying mobs who want to shut the voices of detransitioners down.

rodgmum · 23/01/2020 07:26

I was so pleased to see this. Just the publicity around the case will hopefully generate wider awareness of what is happening. Children are being treated like guinea pigs when really they need to go through extensive counselling (and not of the current GI sort which does not take a holistic approach) with medical intervention a last resort as adults.

Destinysdaughter · 23/01/2020 07:43

So glad this is being challenged in court. I wonder if it will give clinicians pause for thought, and not rush headlong into hormone treatment, if there is now a chance they could get sued for This?

BovaryX · 23/01/2020 07:54

Yes. She is very brave. It is both shocking and appalling that a young woman was put on such a draconian medical pathway with potentially life altering consequences. And that she has been through such trauma at the age of 23. There needs to be an urgent inquiry into why 75 per cent of Tavistock clients are young girls. Her courage is to be commended.

The treatment urgently needs to change, so that it does not put young people, like me, on a torturous and unnecessary path that is permanent and life-changing

BovaryX · 23/01/2020 07:59

The barrister says this:

What is challenged is the current and continuing practice of the defendant.....to prescribe puberty-suppressing hormone blockers and then subsequently cross-sex hormones to children under the age of 18

midcenturylegs · 23/01/2020 08:46

I think putting Ms Bell as Lead leaves anyone with any doubts whatsoever that this has to be stopped. Thank you all involved in the case so far.

Nb.. they're still way short of their crowdfunder target - easy site to find!

BovaryX · 23/01/2020 08:55

Thank you midcentury for highlighting that. I wish her and her legal team the best of luck. Most people are completely unaware that in the 21st century UK, young girls are being subjected to draconian medical interventions. It is inevitable that the lawsuits emanating from this practice will increase. As will the publicity.

Callmejudith · 23/01/2020 09:12

She is a very very brave young lady.

Do we know when it will actually be in court?

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 23/01/2020 09:16

Sunlight. Hopefully this will bring a positive result for her and for others being herded along this dangerous path.

Mayomaynot · 23/01/2020 09:17

"In a statement after the hearing Ms Bell said: “I do not believe that children and young people can consent to the use of powerful and experimental hormone drugs like I did.”

She added: “The treatment needs to change so that it does not put young people, like me, on a torturous and unnecessary path that is permanent and life changing.”"

I fully support her. She is right.

Mayomaynot · 23/01/2020 09:18

Thanks for the share token.

Igneococcus · 23/01/2020 09:32

I do sometimes wonder what "Disgusted of Manchester" (prolific TRA commenter in the Times) skin in the game is. Nothing anyone has ever said to him has made him doubt his opinion.

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ChattyLion · 23/01/2020 09:38

Much needed sunlight and fresh air on the danger of turning what should be healthcare into a political exercise, albeit one being conducted under immense pressure from a vitriolic political lobby. I’m not saying doctors and those drawing up GIDs policies aren’t legally culpable- they are- but also the whistleblowers have said that they are being constantly scrutinised and told they are transphobic if they don’t just affirm and it must be a very very difficult climate to work in and apply normal medical standards and consent practice, very grateful to all the detransitioned people and whistleblowers now speaking up about their experiences.

Absolute respect and support for all the brave women bringing this case which always comes at personal cost and stress and loss of privacy. Hope they will know how very much we are all willing them on- this could be the case that saves so many children from being similarly treated in future. Thank you. Flowers

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