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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

PlanInternational UK knows what a girl is

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Imnobody4 · 21/01/2020 00:30

Take a look at PlanInternational UK (@PlanUK): twitter.com/PlanUK?s=09
This looks a promising organisation. Apparently Maria Miller is presenting their latest report in parliament.

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SarahTancredi · 21/01/2020 06:46

Except they use the word gender in their tweets and their bio Confused

JellySlice · 21/01/2020 07:01

But don't you know that it's only abroad, in those poor under-developed countries, that woman is a biological reality? How lucky we are to live in the wealthy Western world, in progressive countries, where woman is a feeling. Hmm

Plan International have done excellent work for girls in developing countries. They recognise the realities of being female. When dd was in Guides we supported them. I wonder where PI stand now, and whether Guides still support them.

NotTerfNorCis · 21/01/2020 07:15

I've sponsored with Plan for years, and I've noticed their focus on girls - not 'children who identify as girls'. That's because in the societies they work in, genderism has no hold.

Bluerussian · 21/01/2020 07:15

Plan International are excellent.

thecompletenonsequitur · 21/01/2020 08:07

On their UK website, I used their handy search facility to look up the words 'Stonewall' and 'Mermaids'. There were no results Smile.

Lordfrontpaw · 21/01/2020 08:09

I sponsor via SOS children’s villages (for many years). They haven’t hacked me off yet...

Clymene · 21/01/2020 08:09

This is why I sponsor a child through Plan

Lordfrontpaw · 21/01/2020 08:10

Amnesty have hacked me off though...

NellieEllie · 21/01/2020 08:28

Thanks for this. Not come across them before.

Ereshkigal · 21/01/2020 08:42

Except they use the word gender in their tweets and their bio

I think in the sense Maya Forstater referred to in her speech at WPUK last year, talking about the international development community. "When they say gender, they mean sex".

SarahTancredi · 21/01/2020 09:42

I'm.sure they probably do however these days its important to be 100 percent clear

Mayomaynot · 22/01/2020 11:18

Good to know!

Thelnebriati · 22/01/2020 11:26

JellySlice Plan have completed a report on what its like to be a girl in the UK.

''Catcalls, cabs and classroom comments: how girls struggle to find a safe place in the UK today

two-thirds of females aged 14 to 21 have experienced unwanted sexual attention or harassment in a public place – 35% while wearing school uniform.

In mixed-sex schools 37% of female students (but 6% of male students) have experienced sexual harassment at school. Nearly three-quarters of 16- to 18-year-olds say they hear terms such as “slut” or “slag” used towards girls at school on a regular basis.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/19/girls-struggle-to-find-safe-place-in-uk-plan-international-report''

Lordfrontpaw · 22/01/2020 11:27

I saw that yesterday - bloody depressing.

Mayomaynot · 22/01/2020 12:09

It's interesting how those boys know who to pick on, isn't it? Almost like sex is real, or something.

Lordfrontpaw · 22/01/2020 12:34

I wonder what % of the harassers are male?

KatieAlcock · 22/01/2020 12:41

I hate to be the voice of doom, but all these questions have been asked, and the results publicised, by GirlGuiding, and they STILL can't work out who is a girl. Because it's so hard being a boy who wants to dress femininely, too.

Khione · 22/01/2020 13:46

I supported girls through PLAN for over 20 years. In the early 2000s I had a very bad time financially and reluctantly temporarily gave it up. Within months they started hassling me to c start again, which culminated in get a sales call from an extremely persistent male.

Normally I would have hung up but because I was a supporter of their aims and intended to go back when my situation changed, I kept trying to explain that I couldn't currently afford it. He wouldn't accept it and started trying to lay a guilt trip on me. I told him there was no point because currently I hadn't got the money. He still wouldn't let up. I then told him that with his guilting and bullying he had guaranteed that they would never ever get another penny from me.

I sponsor through a different organisation now.

GenderfreeJoe · 22/01/2020 13:52

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Goosefoot · 22/01/2020 14:18

I would not reject an organisation just because they said gender instead of sex. Until recently many considered them synonymous and while I would like to see that change, I would actually consider it a good thing in some ways that they are still taking that straightforward if naive view. It means they haven't been spending their time worrying about appeasing the gender ideology lobby.

It's too bad about the Twitter thing though I might consider writing to them about it if I really wanted to sponsor them. I think sometimes Twitter accounts reflect the person put in charge of them more than the full organisation.

Khione

I had a very similar experience with a person canvassing for supporters for UNICEF on my doorstep. She just wouldn't let it go and really laid on the guilt, and I ended up signing up to shut her up with the intent of simply closing the account immediately. It really upset me and turned me off their organisation, however I did complain about later when they called to get the transaction working, which made me feel a little better.

Lordfrontpaw · 22/01/2020 14:31

Funny that - I had a Plan chugger try to get me to sign up - I said (politely) ‘sorry - I alsready sponsor a child through another charity’ and kept walking - so I got ‘well why not sponsor two! Go on just another one...’ as they trotted along the pavement alongside me.

GenderfreeJoe · 22/01/2020 14:35

It's too bad about the Twitter thing though I might consider writing to them about it if I really wanted to sponsor them

I asked for my post on that to be removed as having looked at their twitter account their posts don't go back as far to the date in question. (4th April 2019). And I didn't take a screenshot sadly.

stumbledin · 22/01/2020 15:12

I think Plan UK along with many of the international development organisations have been captured by the trans / queer politics.

Up until maybe around 10 years ago nobodoy in the media or writing publicity would have thought twice about refering to girls and sex discrimination.

But since the NUJ capitulated and the concept (ie political strategy) to imply that gender was the same as sex many people use without being aware they are basically giving in to a trend. (I am saying this as someone who unwittingly started doing it until a realised when trying to write something it didn't make sense.)

What might be more concerning in terms of supporting or donating to any organisation is do they actually state TWAW.

I think you might be surprised by how many development organisations do.

Is it Plan UK that has coopted IWD into a "March" where celebrities can have a selfie moment. I just cant remember.

And not being deliberately cynical but there is a crowded field of organisations promoting their work with "yong women". For instance there is Young Women's Trust who have had a number of reports that have cover very similar points to this new one. www.youngwomenstrust.org Sophie Walker is their new CEO

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