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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Elizabeth Warren

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Tootsweets23 · 14/01/2020 11:42

Didn't see this posted anywhere else, apologies if I've missed it.

Democrats candidate Elizabeth Warren wants to stop putting trans women in male prisons. To be added to her plan to read trans murder victims in the rose garden each week (guess can't do female murder victims as there would be no time left to do any actual presidenting).

I have the fear. If the democrats chose a candidate who is batshit on this issue they will lose to Trump as this position is so out of step with the general population.

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BickerinBrattle · 15/01/2020 19:12

LOL, Grinitch — I can hardly speak of any of this, or only cautiously, to friends where I live, on the coast! The professional-managerial and “creative” class buy-in on identity politics is rock solid. Well, of course, they benefit tremendously in a renter economy.

As for being like me when you grow up, do you mean cynical and, like dear Lang, saggy-titted? No worries: you’ll get there! It’s fate. Grin

DuMondeB · 15/01/2020 19:27

The only candidate who could probably beat Trump is Tulsi Gabbard. And she’ll never be get the nomination.

GrinitchSpinach · 15/01/2020 19:36

🤣 Indeed!

Bubble: I wish I had breasts like yours.
Eddy: No you don't.
Bubble: I do. Great big large pendulous breasts.

Goosefoot · 15/01/2020 22:10

BickerinBrattle

That's a great post. To me that is the real point. Someone like Sanders may take it pretty much for granted that the medical side of the trans question is straightforward. I can understand why he would think that. But he is still not approaching it from an identity politics direction, or a genderist ideology, whereas Warren certainly is. (I'm not so sure Biden really believes any of that TBH but he is certainly in the same economic camp as the Democratic party as a whole has been.)

GrinitchSpinach · 15/01/2020 22:52

Biden is a friend of Sarah McBride's (national press secretary for Human Rights Campaign) and the Biden Foundation has partnered with Gender Spectrum etc:

www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/biden-foundation-teams-lgbtq-groups-family-acceptance-campaign-n966811

This "Advancing Acceptance" campaign claims to be about getting families to accept trans children, but I'm not sure whether that means acceptance or embrace of medicalization. Further, one of the activists quoted here mentions policies about trans students using the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity rather than sex so... Seems more like validation at the expense of girls to me than acceptance.

Who knows what Biden believessomehow I suspect he's not sneaking up behind McBride to sniff their locksbut he's pretty deep in the mix on this issue.

Endymion1 · 16/01/2020 13:23

I realize I was presenting reasons to vote for Elizabeth Warren despite what the original poster to this thread wrote. In rereading your original comment Tootsweets23 it is not clear that you are opposed to Elizabeth Warren even based on what was written. It is the case that I would vote for Elizabeth Warren if she is the candidate, given what I now know. I do share your concern over the next election, because in two presidential elections since 2000 the Republican candidate won while losing the popular vote. I don’t feel that “. . . stop putting trans women in male prisons.” means they will be mixed with female prisoners and that I don’t feel that a “. . . plan to read trans murder victims in the rose garden. . .” is a big deal. Also, from what I see I don’t think you need to fear that her “. . . position is so out of step with the general population.” According to this from Gallup polling, 71% of adults favor allowing openly transgender men and women to serve in the military, while 79% of women favor that, compared to 64% of men. In addition, 88% of Democrats and 78% of Independents favor that. Further, in regard to use of public restrooms, the numbers are close, with 51% of adults favoring requiring transgender individuals to use the restroom that corresponds with their birth gender compared to 44% favoring requiring transgender individuals to use the restroom that corresponds with gender identity. Among women (who are more likely to vote Democratic) the numbers are 42% for birth identity compared to 53% for gender identity. And for those between the ages of 18 to 29 the numbers are 37% for birth identity and 61% for gender identity. See here: news.gallup.com/poll/258521/support-transgender-people-serving-military.aspx.

Then according to PRRI polling, 62% of All Americans have become more supportive of Transgender Rights compared to 25% becoming less supportive over the last five years. All groups, except conservative Republicans have, on net, become more supportive of Transgender Rights, this includes Independents, Moderate/Liberal Republicans, White evangelical Protestants and White mainline Protestants. 76% of Democrats have become more supportive of those rights compared to 17% of Democrats who have become less supportive. Also, 41% of both Democrats and Independents feel that Transgender people face a lot of stigma or negative social judgment in their community. See here: www.prri.org/research/americas-growing-support-for-transgender-rights/. It is the case that these polls do not deal directly with the issue of trans women in women prisons, I could not find polls on that, but they do indicate support for trans people.

So, it does not seem to me that Elizabeth Warren’s “. . . position is so out of step with the general population. Some people might choose not to vote for her because of this, while others may choose to vote for her because of this. I am opposed to mixing trans women with women in prison or other housing for women, but, at this point, considering everything, not enough to not vote for Elizabeth Warren. Further, mixing trans women with women prisoners may be unconstitutional, so even if she wanted to, she may not be able to. Also, I am more concerned with trans men being put in men’s prisons. In general, the Republican party is out of step with the American people who want diversity and it is the Republicans who engage in identity policies in that they predominantly vote for one identity – white males. The only reason the Republicans win the president and the senate is because of the system that gives people in states with low populations (where Republicans tend to have more support) a greater say in the outcome of elections and because they can win the president without winning the popular vote. The Democratic party is the best hope for women and minorities. Nancy Drawn I continue to agree with your comments and I’m glad you are posting them.

Tom,

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