#banglinner

[Doyoumind]

This is trending on twitter at the moment. If it isn't a perfect example of TRAs wanting to shut down discussion, I don't know what is.

Let’s also remember that women have received bomb threats for meeting to ask questions and talk. Investigated by police and found to be a credible bomb threat.

They have been physically attacked, hit and bullied in public for same.

Also intimidated and physically blocked into buildings by masked individuals shouting at them to shut up.

And been yelled at by persons carrying baseball bats and wearing blood spattered tee shirts with ‘die T*s’ written on them.

One small group of women had the mounted police arrive ready to respond to a report that terrible violent hate crimes were being committed - the police and their trusty steeds found a small group handing out leaflets reminding women of their rights.

Just to put things in perspective.

Good grief, these people are tiresome. Still, clictivism roolz ok.

#susanalbumparty

Amplify everyone!

Let EVERYONE talk! Me, I want the TRAs voices to be heard, I want everyone to know exactly what they've said and are saying.

I also want the arguments from different viewpoints aired, discussed, debated and considered.

I think it is VERY TELLING when people want to ban people, limit speech, shut down debate ('no debate'). Why would that be? What is the argument for less speech, rather than more speech?

Whatever the issue, the only long term way we find solutions and common ground is by talking about it, letting everyone have a voice and discussing things without censure, threat or fear. In my view.

Exactly @ScrimshawTheSecond. Unfortunately some sides don't want / will not allow discussion unless it fits their very specific agenda. They are actively trying to shut down discussion by threats, insults and calling any disagreement or questions 'hate speech' which, IMHO, totally devalues what we fought for to stop real discrimination.

ban glinner, cancel boy george, burn jrk rowlings books.

how does anyone defend this crap?

Death to those who say we are intolerant.

Burn books? Erm...isn't that what the Nazis did?

I'm assuming everyone on here is happy with Glinner calling women who don't agree with him handmaidens?

"Handmaidens" is one of the most polite things I call women who don't agree with me and Glinner. "Delusional fools" is also one of the more polite epithets I employ...

Burn books? Erm...isn't that what the Nazis did?

Some of these muppets call anyone who supports free expression a Nazi. In this brave new world, what could be more anti-fascist than burning books you don't like?

I wonder then how cool they'd be with people burning books about the issues they support? Probably not. That would be a hate crime.

I wonder then how cool they'd be with people burning books about the issues they support? Probably not. That would be a hate crime.

Of course. The wankers would be boohooing about it all over Twitter

Every time something like this trends, people notice it, look into what's going on and there is more and more sunlight.
This is the reason that the TRAs are losing the debate, and the reason they're losing it at Glinner.
The trans movement has serious problems with misogyny and homophobia, and it's getting harder and harder for them to hide that behind threats and clearly over the top accusations.

Whilst I long ago got rid of my Twitter account. I have been sporadically checking on Glinner's account and I see that his follower account is going up quite rapidly.

That #banglinner is doing such a good job.

I'm one of Glinner's newly acquired followers. I'm not especially well informed on these things and wouldn't say I feel confident to be on any specific "side", but have watched with increasing horror how discussions are shut down.

There's one thing I tried to find out on Google, after reading a tweet, and couldn't find info on. I wondered if anyone on this thread can direct me to relevant stats (didn't want to start whole thread on it because there may already be plenty). The issue is: how rare it is that transwomen sexually abuse biological women? Is it more common than the abuse of women by other biological women? Sorry if this is a naive question.

There's a lot of info on several threads on here. Try this one:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Glinner's followers have crept up today.

The trans movement has serious problems with misogyny and homophobia

The movement also has serious problems with NPD. Those who’ve had the misfortune to become entangled with it before immediately recognise it.

Those who’ve never had that particular misfortune see it and think: WTF?

Witness the recent TRA appearing with Brendan O’Neill and declaring that the public must accommodate his needs.

@snowblight:

Is "handmaiden" inherently insulting, bearing in mind that you're speaking from a perspective that is happy to label people with "cis" and "terf"? And even if the labelling of one person as a bigot is correct, does that mean it's okay to subscribe it to every dissenting view? To "cancel" other human beings? To no-platform people? I have said before that there is a cognitive dissonance here - the subscription of ideas you don't like to individual people. Have you even noticed, or appreciated, that you are permitted to spout your misogyny here? That no one has attempted to block or ban you? Doesn't that give you pause for thought?

how rare it is that transwomen sexually abuse biological women? Is it more common than the abuse of women by other biological women?

From my understanding based on a Swedish study, transwomen are as likely as men to commit all types of abuse, including violent and sexual abuse. (Men commit 98% of all sex crime and 80% of all violent crime, TW will be as likely as the next man to be an offender, obviously because NAMALT it's not a huge percentage of men overall). Statistically, TW will be far more likely to abuse a woman, than a woman abuse a woman.

However, Fair play for Women released data under the freedom of information act, that 41% of all transwomen in prison are in prison for sex offenses, (eg pedophilia, sex assault, downloading illegal porn, rape, voyeurism etc). This is actually much higher than the non-transgender male prison population, of which about 19% prisoners are inside for sex offenses. So to say TW commit (sex) crime at the same rate as males is something worthy of more research.

It is safe to say that statistically TW as a percentage of the population will commit sex crime against women at a far higher frequently than women will commit crime against women, but because the population of TW is low, the individual occurrences will be very low too, so it depends how you're looking at the statistics.

I imagine the TRA lot can't comprehend the idea that the GC movement is generally women. It is inconceivable to them that a man isn't in charge. And because Glimmer is vocal and prominent they assume that person is him.

It is very telling of their view of women as subhumans that they can't understand that this is primarily a movement of women. And that men aren't running it.

Well,

I imagine the TRA lot can't comprehend the idea that the GC movement is generally women. It is inconceivable to them that a man isn't in charge.
Yep yep yep.

Am I the only one who can't stop giggling over the "bang Glinner" stuff? I can't not read it that way. I'm pretty sure Mrs Glinner pops up around these parts from time to time--wonder what she thinks of all this inappropriate attention to her DH, especially coming so soon after the suggestions he had the "dick of the year"? I would be annoyed, but then again I'm a humorless shrew.

Well, to be fair, Justine Mumsnet has had a lot of abuse, as has JK Rowling.
They know it's a movement by women for women, which is why Mumsnet has been relentlessly under attack for so long.

Glinner, shock, is a bloke. He's getting the same treatment, and it's brilliant. It's shining a spotlight on the madness. I can't thank Glinner, Justine, JK, enough.

More high profile people need to come out.

Thank you, @Doyoumind and @Qcng, for the answers to my question. That's very helpful. So in terms of potential sexual abuse, TW in female spaces is approximately equivalent to the same number of men in that space. (With some indication - though needs more investigation - that rates may be higher).