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The Police Called Me to "Check My Thinking" harry miller interview

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skql · 10/01/2020 13:09

harry miller interview.

i'm not sure link will work or not...

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 12/01/2020 19:12

Harry Miller is a marvel. Got everything in there and so concisely, too. I attended part of the first day of the Judicial Review and was sitting next to his wife and behind Harry. He smells very nice, Guerlain Vetivert I think it was. Lovely!

Fallingirl · 12/01/2020 19:44

This explains really well how the police could be captured with relative ease in this country. But the same is happening inCanada, the US, and other European countries.

Do they all take their leads from each other, and do the equivalents of Stonewall in other countries all work together?

RubyViolet · 12/01/2020 19:49

Great to see this. Have forwarded it to the Police officers, Teachers and NHS staff in my family and friends. Looking forward to the responses ! Well done Harry and Fair Cop.

aliasundercover · 12/01/2020 21:26

The end of that interview!

"...how shit the rainbow is. That rainbow symbol - which used to be a great symbol of hope for lesbians, gays, and bi-people - I now equate it, it's so corrupted, to a swastika"

It's shocking to hear those words, and yet how many of us feel something similar? That flag which meant so much to so many people, which I'd have worn with pride (ha!) in support of my lesbian and gay friends, is now a sign of bullying, meanness, weak-thinking,

misogyny, weasel-words, lesphobia ...

I'd no sooner wear a rainbow symbol then a BNP badge.

nauticant · 12/01/2020 21:47

That was a compelling watch. The end as mentioned by aliasundercover was a real sharp intake of breath moment and it was amusing to see Triggernometry guys looking horribly uncomfortable.

I wonder whether the hosting of the video on youtube will survive the saying of such an unsayable thing?

ScapaFlo · 12/01/2020 21:49

Blimey just watched this (glad I did because I bet it will get taken down, not least for the rainbow comment).

He said "They [the police] are enforcing this ideology, which is why it requires brave, outspoken people to stand up and say 'this can't happen. It just cannot happen'"

Or as Posie says: "Just fuck off! No!"

Great video. And the interviewers hardly interrupted him at all! Funny, that...

Cuntysnark · 12/01/2020 21:52

It was very clear and concise. We are fucked if he loses. But the comments are heartening.

ScapaFlo · 12/01/2020 21:55

Oh I also loved his expression "the wrong-think clink" Grin

nauticant · 12/01/2020 22:04

Or as Posie says: "Just fuck off! No!"

Great video. And the interviewers hardly interrupted him at all! Funny, that...

At the top of the thread I wrote "I'll be very interested to see if these guys are more relaxed in their questioning of a man as opposed to a woman." Well, thinking back to the Posie Parker video that was a pretty clear contrast.

WelshMoth · 12/01/2020 22:34

Are the Trigger guys allies? They seem to be, given that they're allowing these views to have a platform?

PaleBlueMoonlight · 12/01/2020 22:44

What an energising watch. Whether he wins or loses, this is surely dynamite (or swept under the carpet...)

nauticant · 12/01/2020 22:46

I get the impression they see themselves as non-allied but are committed to free speech therefore they'll talk to anyone although I assume they'd draw the line at purveyors of hate speech.

For an interesting comparison, I'd recommend you have a look at the Posie Parker video:

GirlDownUnder · 13/01/2020 09:04

Good watch! #nodebate no #screwyou indeed Grin

I’m still nervous about the judgement - not because of any lack in Harry or Fair Cop, but just because of how big this all feels and how far it’s gone.

The comments are positive / in agreement with Harry, which is nice to see.

Mockers2020Vision · 13/01/2020 14:08

Agree with Harry about the longterm malign effect of MacPherson, (and by extension, Scarman,) but I'd also add another case: Soham.

Ian Huntley was a failure of what we would today call safegaurding, and marks the origins of what we would now call safeguarding. The police checks of the day failed because they were insufficiently rigourous. The proper response should have been to tighten them up, but the case was marked with tabloid hysteria. It came at the height of the Posh & Becks madness, and had those girls been wearing Cambridge United shirts, we would have hardly seen the picture. But it was Man Utd shirts, and the call went up, not for tighter regulations but perfect regulations that would ensure with 100% certainty that this could never happen again.

The response of a confident government with a large majority ought to have been mature, but this was the time when Blair was asking around for "Eye-catching initiaties with bite I personally can be associated with," and so we have the vast expensive empire of DBS, and the spread of the climate of fear across all recruitment processes over tiny little things in people's distant pasts that no one ever worried about before.

DBS is a self-serving monster that is easy to fool if you have malign intent. In particular, the part about former addresses which relies on the honesty of the applicant. It is nothing to do with protecting vulnerable groups and everything to do with organisations protecting their own backs.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 13/01/2020 14:55

Excellent, Harry is awesome and a true ally.

In particular the part about "protected strands" and violence on women counting for shit. And agree the end of the interview - he really is ready for the fight.

Imagine, lunch with Harry and Posie!

Mossyrock · 16/01/2020 09:07

are committed to free speech therefore they'll talk to anyone although I assume they'd draw the line at purveyors of hate speech.

On one of their live streams they said that they draw the line at interviewing people who are actually violent. As in, people who have committed literal violence in the generally understood, not 'hurt feelings are literal violence', way.

The e.g. given was Tommy Robinson, whom they declined to approach for interview because he has convictions for violence.

LangCleg · 16/01/2020 09:45

DBS is a self-serving monster that is easy to fool if you have malign intent. In particular, the part about former addresses which relies on the honesty of the applicant. It is nothing to do with protecting vulnerable groups and everything to do with organisations protecting their own backs

Hate to say it, but I agree. The whole "safer recruitment" industry is the same. Tick boxing, not protecting.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 16/01/2020 09:54

I think both HO and PP’s interviews were excellent and full of sunlight.

I agree PP’s interview was more interrogational, but I don’t think that was a bad thing. Many people new to this subject will need the full implications of everything explained. I.e of calling a male who identifies as a woman as ‘she’,- is not just about being courteous -which is the natural disposition for most, it has other ramifications many won’t have considered.

The questioning enabled this.

BovaryX · 16/01/2020 10:34

Brilliant interview. Harry is eloquent on freedom of speech and how the police have succumbed to institutional capture. He outlines the absurdity of investigating a crime non crime category and states that the police

don't understand the difference between policy and law, they don't have a legal basis to work from, the higher echelons of the police are signing pledges to Stonewall

He also cites Douglas Murray and talks about the disproportionate responsibility to speak out because many people are too terrified to do so because of the consequences. Harry is an informed, passionate advocate and he is determined to keep highlighting this absurd and sinister threat to freedom of speech

BovaryX · 16/01/2020 10:45

He also emphasizes the fact that this escalation of non crime crime has emerged without public assent or debate
the whole thing has happened outside the judicial process because this has not been debated in parliament, it's a policy spiral

Joisanofthedales · 16/01/2020 13:15

Brilliant interview. Will be digging again when it's needed.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/01/2020 10:59

I think the change in interviewer tone is less because the Trigger boys are sexist, and more that achieving peak trans takes some time.

India W got their sympathy, and, I suspect, confirmed their bias. PP, Rose O'D andHarry all gave them new stuff to chew on.

Get Buck Angel on next, @triggerpod. Or, that lawyer who defended the TW journalist that tried to sue the Times. www.pressgazette.co.uk/transgender-ex-times-journalist-loses-discrimination-claim-against-paper/

Otterseatpuffinsdontthey · 17/01/2020 11:32

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