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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Birmingham gynecological health charity rebrands to include trans-men and non-binary

54 replies

stumbledin · 07/01/2020 20:25

"Cysters took 'women' out of it's name to become more inclusive to people suffering from gynecological illness with different gender identities"

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/we-same-pain-birmingham-gynecological-17478251

Dont know whether to laugh or cry. If even those practicing medicine are prepared to perpetuate the lie that a male body can become a female one, and that a male body now miraculously needs gynecological services.

[headbang]

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FruitcakeOfHate · 07/01/2020 20:28

FFS. XY = it's a guy. XX= female. There's no way to change that.

Esspee · 07/01/2020 20:28

Please tell me you are joking!

Thelnebriati · 07/01/2020 20:34

''She said: "The name Cysters comes from the symptom of cysts that many of us have, not the word 'sisters'. The logo also has a “v” sign – representing virginity in place of the ovaries and uterus.''

There was me thinking it was the representation of female genitals as conceived by a graphic designer Confused

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/01/2020 20:34

Maybe a good thing.

Trans and NB female people on testosterone will get vaginal atrophy, uterine cramps and, if they have their ovaries removed, premature menopause. All those things need treating or avoiding and I know that the female focus on reproductive health puts some people (who definitely aren't mentally ill) off of attending to their health.

I do think best practice would be to have a clinic specifically for transmen, rather than tell ordinary women like me that gender identity is relevant. Maybe women could just identify out of endo?

ArranUpsideDown · 07/01/2020 20:39

I'm happy to guess that this is a very smart move for people who would like to attract scarce funding whether it's governmental, big business or the larger charities who have no interest is boring diversity wrt disabilities, ethnic minorities or sex and want something that attracts plaudits for social and corporate responsibility etc.

SetYourselfOnFire · 07/01/2020 21:06

🙄 Are there really any humans dumb enough to believe if they call themselves non-binary they no longer require doctors appropriate to the genitals they have?

aliasundercover · 07/01/2020 21:11

If they're dumb enough to believe that saying they're non-binary means they don't belong to a sex, or dumb enough to believe they were assigned a sex at birth, then yes, they're dumb enough to believe anything.

BiologyIsReal · 07/01/2020 21:26

Transgender men can be suffering with these conditions because their birth sex is female says the article.

Guess what? Their sex is still female and will be until they die.

Kilbranan · 07/01/2020 21:30

I have no doubt transmen ie females will still have the need for gynae input so seems reasonable to include them. But that name Confused cysters, really!! Non binary are only going to be needing this if they are female obviously

JellySlice · 07/01/2020 21:30

The website's insert 'How do trans and non-binary people still suffer from gynecological health issues?' is well written.

Voice0fReason · 07/01/2020 21:31

Not very welcoming to women then.
Transmen need specialised care.
Non-binary is just a fashion statement.

GladAllOver · 07/01/2020 21:37

Isn't this organisation just recognising that If a woman calls herself a man then he/she will still be subject to female illnesses and will still need support for those conditions?
I don't see a problem with that.

JellySlice · 07/01/2020 21:39

I can accept that the anonymous dysphoric TM quoted might feel alienated by only hearing woman-oriented language, but how about the majority of the individuals seeking support from Cysters? Why is it acceptable to alienate the women seeking support by ignoring their beliefs, feelings and understandings?

I had today to explain to someone - a teacher! - that not everybody celebrates Christmas, and therefore asking only Christmas-related questions on the first day back yesterday was potentially unfair. But that didn't mean he should ignore Christmas and pretend that it didn't exist! He just needed to be aware that there were children in his class who would appreciate other questions being asked as well, so that they could also participate in the activity.

ArranUpsideDown · 07/01/2020 21:39

Trans and NB female people on testosterone will get vaginal atrophy, uterine cramps and, if they have their ovaries removed, premature menopause.

I understand why transmen might choose to take testosterone and perhaps to have ovaries removed. I would not anticipate that anyone who identifies as non-binary would meet the criteria for hormone treatment or the elective removal of sex organs. I may be wrong.

OldCrone · 07/01/2020 21:45

I would not anticipate that anyone who identifies as non-binary would meet the criteria for hormone treatment or the elective removal of sex organs. I may be wrong.

A lot of female non-binary people (am I allowed to call them that) have mastectomies and take testosterone. No, I don't know why.

Kilbranan · 07/01/2020 21:50

It defies all logic really doesn’t it - being your authentic self means you have to take medication for the rest of your life and have major surgery

Doyoumind · 07/01/2020 22:07

That bit about the logo is the biggest pile of shit I have ever heard. The name comes from cysts rather than sisters? Whatever. And v for virginity rather than female reproductive organs? Erm, all genders can be virgins Confused Why would virginity be a unifying thing about their users when most won't be? Laughable.

VaggieMight · 07/01/2020 22:23

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ArranUpsideDown · 07/01/2020 22:28

A lot of... non-binary people...have mastectomies and take testosterone. No, I don't know why.

That is interesting - is that a geographical phenomenon that is stronger in particular parts of the world?

Does anyone know if there are UK data, please? (I searched the usual sources and haven't found any but would like to look into this further as I have family friends with a child who recently declared self to be male-presenting enby and there are strains within the family about the degree of affirmation.)

stumbledin · 07/01/2020 23:24

ArranUpsideDown

May have misunderstood your question but isn't the the issue that the Court Case starting this week is about. The allegations that staff within GID themselves are saying that self affirmation is not an acceptable medical position. See thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3786880-high-court-case-on-puberty-blockers-and-consent

And that the rapid increase in young girls now say they are trans has been reported but not "explained".

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/surge-in-girls-switching-gender-pwqdtd5vk

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/meet-detransitioners-women-became-men-now-want-go-back/

Just out of interest as it seems to be increasingly common. Is the child concerned autistic?

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ArranUpsideDown · 07/01/2020 23:50

May have misunderstood your question but isn't the the issue that the Court Case starting this week is about.

It's similar to the GID service but, afaik, GID maintains that there are no data because they don't maintain the necessary records.

Several services state that they will carry out assessments for hormones and surgical interventions for non-binary people but suggest that they will do this within the framework of a diagnosis+. Eg, Nottingham (not before the age of 17):

www.nottinghamshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/gender-faqs

However, I can't locate any NHS data. I had a quick look at the various relevant subcultures of Japan but couldn't find any information about medical interventions for people who might self-ID as enbies in the West (or have a relevant diagnosis).

+From the FAQ it looks as if the centre mostly sees people with diagnoses of ‘F64.0 Transsexualism’ and ‘Gender Dysphoria’ (previously called gender identity disorder). However, if there are no data about AFAB or AMAB, then I doubt there are data about elective surgeries or hormone treatment for enbies for any NHS specialist service.
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Is the child concerned autistic?

Not currently known: and whether or not there should be an assessment for this is part of the substantial disagreement between the parents. However, I wasn't surprised at the announcement given my previous knowledge of the child's social and school history.

FrogsFrogs · 08/01/2020 00:36

Had a quick browse of the site. They hint at being for females (mention misogyny) but their main strapline is

'Cysters is a grassroots charity, dedicated to supporting individuals & improving the health, education & welfare of those with reproductive & mental health issues.'

Men suffer from these things as well. Are they intending to open up to everyone? Or not, it's not clear. Their media links talk about female reproductive issues but, there's no clarity in the mission statement about who they are looking to support.

What's the vicinity thing about? I must admit I haven't watched it 'The logo also has a “v” sign – representing Virginity. Our founder felt that this was a topic that needed addressing and has used Cysters as a platform to deconstruct the virginity myth, and reclaim our own narrative. Find out more about our founders views here – .

I find it hard to believe that the name cysters was never anything to do with sisters, and that the V was never anything to do with vulvas.

Certainly they have some traffic to their site etc through this so, given that I imagine they are trying to do good stuff, is not a bad thing. What are they going to do when chaps with mental health/ reproductive issues rock up though?

ACatWhoBinds · 08/01/2020 00:36

Tbh, I don’t see the outrage. They’re trying to be inclusive. Do you suffer extreme dysphoria looking at their website not using the word woman? Because I don’t really understand why you would minimise the experience of those who do feel that whilst reading ‘woman’ and ‘female’ referring to a condition they face. I don’t really see how it affects you.

Ibloodylovewomen · 08/01/2020 00:43

I always think about how this bizarre wording for everything will effect women whose first language isn't English, or women who aren't spending their time with wolk-folx and so can't make head nor tail of the word salad Confused.

FrogsFrogs · 08/01/2020 00:54

'What's the vicinity thing about?'

Autocorrect, should be virginity.

I have no doubt this charity has great intentions and has been working hard. To help marginalised women and girls.

'Neelam felt that issues around reproductive health can often be trivialised by healthcare professionals and sexualised by the ethnic community due to cultural beliefs.'

But they water down what their aims are, which are pointed at in the previous quote and v important and v not covered by mainstream orgs, by not being clear about who their core focus is. Be specific, this is what orgs need to do, and have done, to focus in on where they have seen a problem and want to bring about change .

'Recognizing privilege is the first step to supporting others with their journey, using our own privilege to create this space makes us proud to taking these steps amongst our Cysters. We are taking up space, together. We will no longer be silenced, our voices matter too.'

Can't articulate at the mo why this feels all wonky. Privileged people don't have to take up space or make their voices matter. They have that automatically. I think it means those who have been successful against the odds in a world stacked against them. Is that privilege? Success, I would say. And then a great thing to give others help. Raise awareness etc.

Like I say I think the woman who started this has done a great thing and clearly is working to improve things for certain groups, but she can't say who they are.

Sorry not v articulate.