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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Victoria Derbyshire - Luxury Beliefs

27 replies

TheFingerPointer · 06/01/2020 13:28

Victoria Derbyshire is just one example of a TRA living in a BBC bubble. I don't dislike VD, I just want her to do the job I fund her to do in an unbiased way. Victoria has a successful socially and financially rewarding career, she been late to parenting and had to deal with a biological female cancer. I can see that she has taken on BBC complaints about her bias and has toned down her anger at Gender critical people, it's still there obviously to me bubbling underneath, I don't understand why she's unable to do her job properly, I would prefer a BBC team who are less angry and biased covering their beliefs.

Victoria Derbyshire strikes me as someone with luxury Beliefs. I came across this term and it does seem to cover TRAs like her.

mobile.twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1213743369287012352

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b05qqk5c/victoria-derbyshire

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Gone2far · 06/01/2020 13:40

was it VD who was on at 10.30 this morning? (sorry, the link doesn't work). I was struck by her fairly hostile interview with Suzanne Evans this morning.
Mind you, at least Suzanne Evans was given space to articulate her thoughts, which I don't think would have happened a year ago.

NextdoorNeighbourIsATwat · 06/01/2020 13:48

I thought Suzanne did brilliantly given VD's baiting. If you are reading this Suzanne, thank you for saying all id like to say.

PJsatMidday · 06/01/2020 13:52

I've disliked her since her Radio 5Live days. Like all woke types, I believe there's a strong streak of misogyny and racism in this one. I distinctly remember the moment when I decided I didn't like her. She was bleating about the Williams sisters' dominance of Wimbledon (in the early 2000s) being "unfair" (with no foundation at all). I suspect she despises all women who aren't exactly like her. I suspect she sees non white people as pet causes, but not actually real people.

I think she's like James O'Brien, it's more likely that she wants to be on the "right" side of history than actually giving two fucks about trans people or the women they may effect. If she did, she'd actually behave like the journalist she professes to be and research the full meaning and goals of this movement.

Davros · 06/01/2020 13:54

I caught a bit of this but when VD said - she's met lots of children/teens who have transitioned and are much, much happier so it's a good thing - I had to turn off before my foot went through the telly

nauticant · 06/01/2020 13:59

Luxury beliefs immediately brings to mind "fully automated luxury communism" and the mindless crew whose slogan it is.

TheFingerPointer · 06/01/2020 14:01

Yes, I am beginning to see what Douglas Murray was thinking, people out of the danger zone who will not feel the impact, with money, connections and a comfortable life are bored and this is a virtue signalling pet luxury beliefs they picked up, they are raging they aren't getting the virtue cookies Owen Jones promised.

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TheFingerPointer · 06/01/2020 14:02

I don't know where Zuby sourced the phrase, this is where I first encountered it.

mobile.twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1213743369287012352

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DodoPatrol · 06/01/2020 14:09

The youngster in our wider family who has physically transitioned is happier at present. I'm glad, but cautious, given that it's less than a year out of what I hope will be another 60 or 70 years to live with the decision.

I do fear that she will hit 30 and regret the complications it'll cause to parenthood.

My kids say this is a pointless fear as we need far fewer people to reproduce for the sake of the planet. True. But a hell of a decision to make when still in your teens.

DodoPatrol · 06/01/2020 14:10

Sorry, that was to Davros re transitioned teens being happier.

littlbrowndog · 06/01/2020 15:06

But didn’t Derbyshire say that she has come across some very mature 12 year olds

She really ought to be careful on that sort of talk

Age of consent and all that

midgebabe · 06/01/2020 15:13

But how many older women who have never transitioned ( due to having no real options Year’s age) has she talked too, and how happy are those women?

Davros · 06/01/2020 16:30

dodopatrol I totally agree. Just because someone very young has got what they want, or what they think they want, there's so many more years ahead and possible severe effects yet to be experienced

Siameasy · 07/01/2020 11:44

I like this Zuby bloke

nauticant · 07/01/2020 12:06

Have you seen Zuby's earlier work:

twitter.com/zubymusic/status/1100348562041462784?lang=en

sarahjconnor · 07/01/2020 15:27

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FloralBunting · 07/01/2020 15:51

Luxury belief is basically a new spin on the phrase virtue signalling, yes? A display of righteousness that costs the proponent nothing at all, but gains them accolades none the less?

Kantastic · 07/01/2020 19:51

Luxury belief is basically a new spin on the phrase virtue signalling, yes?

Similar meaning, and I'm pretty sure it's got the same political/tribal connotations when you use it. But the meaning is slightly more specific - a luxury belief is a belief that only very sheltered, privileged people can afford to have without jeopardising their wellbeing, so you're signalling your high status by believing it.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/01/2020 21:05

Kudos to whoever came up with "luxury beliefs", it's perfect.

nauticant · 09/01/2020 11:09

Since the term came up on another thread I wondered whether it might have come from. Here's the earliest high profile usage I found:

nypost.com/2019/08/17/luxury-beliefs-are-the-latest-status-symbol-for-rich-americans

For example The upper classes have found a clever solution to this problem: luxury beliefs. These are ideas and opinions that confer status on the rich at very little cost, while taking a toll on the lower class.

Luxury goods transforming into luxury beliefs reminds me of the value of property shifting from tangible property to intellectual property.

It's a highly conservative article with views some might find objectionable but fascinating.

jakeyboy1 · 09/01/2020 11:53

I am liking Zuby. Have the TRA's had a pop at him or is he too big and scary?

EwwSprouts · 09/01/2020 15:06

They've tried but it's water off a ducks back.
twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1204372618314424321

FloralBunting · 09/01/2020 15:24

Well, they're not going to try very hard because he's not presenting himself as a liberal or left wing or progressive. They don't really tend to gun for anyone right of centre, especially men.

The ire is reserved most viciously for left of centre progressive women, which is presumably why VD is such a wimp about this, because she knows that to be a proper journalist and ask hard questions rather than sad face head tilts would get her the kind of grief that Emily Maitlis has managed to bat away but will no doubt face again if she continues to press.

The key to understanding the T*rf slur is that it's meant to crush the leftie women who definitely don't and have never wanted to exclude people unfairly. That's why the last two words in it are Radical Feminist. It's not designed to shame men like Zuby, it's designed to punish disobedient progressive women and keep compliant ones like VD in line.

jakeyboy1 · 09/01/2020 16:03

"Ideologically possessed" will keep that one!

Maelil · 09/01/2020 16:11

“fairly hostile interview with Suzanne Evans this morning.“

Was it Susan Evans the psychiatric nurse or Suzanne Evans the UKIP member ?

CatInTheDaytime · 10/01/2020 12:57

Yes I saw this, I was thinking "Duh Victoria". Young people may think they want all kinds of things, the point is the brain isn't developed and there are reasons they can't vote, drink, consent to sex, etc until they are old enough. Plus when "wanting" those things comes with woke pressure and entry into being special, stunning and brave, and the perceived chance to escape from the self, quite often after abuse, that is not a clear and simple choice.

VD winds me up something rotten, her total lack of sensitivity and her desperation to put anyone who has suffered something through the mill with lots of probing questions and get them to cry. Ugh. She doesn't think, and it makes total sense that she hasn't thought this one through or looked at the facts.

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