Morning Star/Mumsnet shout out

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www.facebook.com/groups/CommunistPartySupporters/permalink/2733162856770110/

Great comment in the replies:
"Basically the consumerist hyper individualist ideology of neo liberal capitalism has now atomised people so completely that they believe sex and gender are consumer choices much the same way opting to buy products are."

That Adam bloke is a delight. Lovely to see him have his arse handed to him repeatedly.

Poor Adam Murray, repeatedly debunked!

Well, that is quite refreshing to see.

I'm a bit concerned they're spoiling the viperish reputation a bit, though. Someone said Mumsnet is 'hardly Stormfront'. Haven't they even heard about the street violence wing?

Away to go and do a bit of vicious tutting before bed.

www.facebook.com/groups/CommunistPartySupporters/permalink/2733162856770110/

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That was an thoroughly enjoyable read, thank you. It’s wonderful to see the light being shone in so many ways.

Thanks for the link. Really interesting thread and despite some attempt to say mumsnet if just middle class waffle, it is remarkable how so many comments on the thread are similar to ones made on mumsnet.

Although worrying that the YCL (I assume young communist league) is trying to turn the tide of history towards wokeism.

Maybe we should do a reverse entryism. Loads of mumsnetters sign up to the CP!!

Here's a link to the Morning Star article:

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/light-has-been-shone-one-womens-rights-all-world-see.

Great reading! I'm so used to groups of men on twitter trying to shut down women, it's truly cheering to see a group of men on FB taking the woke bloke to task, and actually sticking up for women!

And astutely recognising the neo-liberalism in identity politics, and the damage to women and children. Excellent stuff.

I think I'll print and frame it.

Nice to see an island of leftist sanity.

This resonates for me so much more because they get the 'it's not fair' angle so much better than the right wing, free speech, conservatives. Communists make it their business to understand oppression and they understand where women rank in a capitalist patriarchy.

What an excellent intelligent read. So good to see informed debate - and the one person using the 'shut up bigots and transphobes' approach having his arse handed to him on a plate.

Wow, how refreshing. Thanks for posting, OP.

My favourite comment so far (in reference to Adam Murray's NI background): "Northern Ireland is trans-British"

Ooh, thanks for the link! Refreshing reading, and after all the you're-in-bed-with-the-far-right crap I've seen on Twitter it's lovely to see people who couldn't (reasonably) be accused of being far-right sharing a lot of our concerns. Lovely, but not surprising, since class analysis is used by both.

(Of course, it's entirely possible the TRAs would argue that "Communist Party of Britain supporters group" are indeed far-right. Just another redefinition of words, to them.)

I was intrigued by the Like/Haha's on Adam's posts. Turned out most were Haha'ing his posts, and after his "You all need some serious equality education" post only Richard Firth was Like'ing. I thought I recognised his face, and he is indeed the same Richard Firth involved in the last-minute cancelation of the booking for A Woman's Place meeting in Leeds Civic Hall back in 2018 ( medium.com/@JonnnyBest/welcome-to-leeds-women-now-shut-up-c00da13e38c0 ).

Also liked the comment "Every left site I go him and his ( all white all Male ) buddies are on there hurling insults and generally being obnoxious." It suggests MN is not alone in being stalked, but multiple 'left' sites maybe being 'monitored' for wrongthink. Well, tough, boys - the Communist Party of Britain supporters group have got your number, and they have the knowledge to refute your posturing beautifully.

Enjoyed reading that.

Is it wrong that my favourite reply to Adam Murray was - I don't want a civil debate, I just want you to shut up?

From the page our binary view of sex and gender is a colonial one

Bless.

Communists make it their business to understand oppression and they understand where women rank in a capitalist patriarchy

Communists make it their business to understand oppression so that they can more effectively apply it. If your ideology relies on effective suppression of individual rights and free speech an understanding of how oppression works will certainly be useful.

Is anyone seriously still promoting Communism as a force for good?

Which posts are you referring to TheTigersBride ?

Is anyone seriously still promoting Communism as a force for good?

At least they’re standing up for female rights, which is a bloody sight more than our woke politicians and organisations are.

Communism, as a political viewpoint, is as ripe for good or ill as most other political viewpoints. If mixed with totalitarianism, it's pernicious, as is Capitalism. But that would lead me to the conclusion that Totalitarianism is the true negative there, not class analysis per se.

But as has been mentioned, the cheering point here is materialists actually defending material reality and not being bullied by neo-religionists.

Uncompromisingwoman

Which posts are you referring toTheTigersBride

I am referring to the post made by Newuser123123 at 08.17. You posted immediately after her post. I quoted the post I was referring to. What is puzzling you? But if you are still unclear here is Newuser123123s full post.

This resonates for me so much more because they get the 'it's not fair' angle so much better than the right wing, free speech, conservatives Communists make it their business to understand oppression and they understand where women rank in a capitalist patriarchy

Anyone saying Communists "get the it's not fair angle" has a serious misunderstanding of how Communism has worked in practice although she is certainly correct in the statement that Communists understand oppression.

Thank you. I didn't get your stretch from the quote to the suggestion that this was "promoting communism as a force for good"
So is this a bit like the Daily Mail arguments - because a lot of people don't like their politics, nothing they say can ever be correct?

Newuser123123 says and they [Communists] understand where women rank in a capitalist patriarchy

If you scroll down the linked website Facebook page you will find articles supportive of Nicolae and Elena Ceaușescu- the Ceauşescus ranked women as breeding machines.

So is this a bit like the Daily Mail arguments - because a lot of people don't like their politics, nothing they say can ever be correct?

Who is "they"? The writer of one particular article? Or , as the poster I'm quoting is referring, to Communism in general?

I've never been in thrall to the communists TheTigersBride and am old enough to remember the misery they inflicted on so many populations. But I do note that they seem to understand sex based oppression, allow democratic debate (if that facebook thread is anything to go by) and have no truck with the repeated bullying and silencing of women - and given how rare this is in our current political parties, I'll acknowledge it as positive.