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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What language are people allowed to use around describing SRS?

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Aaarrgghhh · 03/01/2020 12:53

And other things. Why are opinions not allowed on the feminism boards but are fine elsewhere? Obviously this is specific to a certain subgroup of people. I’m getting annoyed today because I can say things elsewhere on the site but the same things said here are deleted.

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nauticant · 04/01/2020 19:43

To see NotBadConsidering's excellent post disappear tells us there's a group of people out there who think that it is right and proper to shut down discussion of what is actually involved in these surgeries.

I wonder what would motivate them to keep people in the dark over this? I wonder who they intend to be helping?

DickKerrLadies · 04/01/2020 19:55

Leaving aside whether a child who's body has not been allowed to go through puberty is capable of giving informed consent, how is shutting down factual discussions helping these kids understand exactly what it is they are getting in to? Especially when those promoting it insist on using child-like language such as 'bottom surgery'.

I would say I'm surprised that the post was deleted, but I'm really not. I still find it quite shocking though, even when it's predicted.

WrathoFaeKlop · 04/01/2020 19:59

When we can predict what's likely to happen, we know we're on to something interesting.

nauticant · 04/01/2020 20:02

I feel remiss at not cutting and pasting. I hope NotBadConsidering kept a copy.

Creepster · 04/01/2020 21:06

The idea that medical professionals would put children on drugs that cause bone loss is horrifying to me.

NotBadConsidering · 04/01/2020 21:13

No I didn’t keep a copy ☹️😡.

I have not received an email from @MNHQ either. I will report this post and request an explanation.

For others who didn’t see it, there was nothing about any person. There were no accusations.

I think it’s the sex. The only time I’ve ever been deleted is when I point out that there will be a lack of sexual function. I need to know why this is not allowed to be stated because this is completely true.

CherieBabySpliffUp · 04/01/2020 21:27

I'm confused.Google suggests SRS as in Sexual Reassignment Surgery? But sex cannot be changed so is it not GRS?

Aaarrgghhh · 04/01/2020 21:49

CherieBabySpliffUp I think SRS is what it used to be called? I’m not sure, it’s being referred to as confirmation surgery now but I refuse to ever use that term. Pissed off that a post has been deleted and as far as I can see, for absolutely no reason.

An explanation is needed @MNHQ.

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WrathoFaeKlop · 04/01/2020 22:05

Confirmation surgery
That is a terrible label.

Sexequality · 04/01/2020 22:18

Maybe we need to break (what we remember of) the post down and post it line by line then see what gets deleted?

TinselAngel · 04/01/2020 23:55

Maybe we need to break (what we remember of) the post down and post it line by line then see what gets deleted?

That's a great idea. I didn't see it though.

Creepster · 05/01/2020 00:01

The doctors who invented it called it sex reassignment surgery. That was when they referred to their patients as transsexuals.
Gender advocates lobbied to change the terminology to transgender and gender reassignment in order to be more inclusive.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 05/01/2020 08:33

@MNHQ can you please explain why a COMPLETELY FACTUAL post which was about a process rather than any person, named or otherwise, was deleted?

Are you really so in thrall to the type of person who would keep an adolescent thinking of embarking on major surgery in the dark about what that surgery entails? Do you not see that this puts you on the same side as those who would completely do away with safeguarding and informed consent? Do you think that’s a good look for the moderators of a parenting forum?

NotBadConsidering · 05/01/2020 11:19

I’ve been in discussion and I’m allowed repost with an adjustment. Thanks MNHQ Flowers. Thanks also to a lurker who I won’t name who kindly copied and pasted it and PM’d me. I’ll copy and paste any post on this subject in the future.

Things that are factual. We should be able to state things that are factual. Such as:

• The types of surgeries undertaken under the terminology of “sex reassignment surgery”, “gender affirming surgery” or various other terms are major surgeries. They include double mastectomy, orchidectomy, penectomy and formation of a sinus (a blind ended pouch).

• the scope of these surgeries is changing, from being done on adults who have experienced adult sexual function, to being done on people who are barely adults whose bodies have been arrested in a pre-pubertal state by hormone therapy and hence have never experienced sexual function

• subsequently, the surgeries are being done on pre-pubertal genital tissue

• these surgeries are experimental, and as such, technically challenging and have a high complication rate

• these surgeries will need lifelong attendance of medical and surgical clinics to be managed and kept “healthy”

• these surgeries are being performed on healthy tissues and healthy bodies [edit: subsequently I agree this should be amended to say bodies that have the potential still to be healthy]

• they are irreversible; once you remove a penis and testes, they can’t be put back

• there is nothing functional to be gained from a male having a hole created in the perineum; it can’t create pleasure, it can only be there as a receptacle for another male

• equally, there is nothing to be gained from an artificially created “phallus”; it will not experience pleasure in the way a penis does

• as a result of these irreversible surgeries being undertaken on pre-pubertal tissue the patient is 100% guaranteed to experience no sexual function and infertility, with a high possibility of complications such as pain and infection

• the single most-often quoted reason for these surgeries being undertaken is because of the benefits to mental health despite there being no clear evidence of such and publications that state opposing outcomes

• the studies on long term and short term outcomes of surgeries do not take into account the relatively new phenomenon of operating on pre-pubertal genitals; most studies have looked at data over years to decades, performed on adults who went through puberty

As a result of these facts, I’d be interested to hear arguments as to why this fashionable pathway of puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and then surgery is a good idea and I would like to hear from medical practitioners who advocate for it to understand how they justify it.

As an addit to the original post, I will also point out that puberty blockers will be discussed in a case in the High Court this week (see other threads) and I imagine many of these issues will be discussed.

FlyingOink · 05/01/2020 11:43

NotBadConsidering
I'm glad you got to repost, it's still a powerful post, thanks

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