MERF?

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Long-term poster but name-changed due to risk of being identified by a colleague who may be able to identify me due to previous posts.

Had a disagreement with this colleague about our workplace's approach to supporting people who are or may be trans. I have been quietly GC for a while and the colleague's reaction to this discussion really shocked me. Colleague said that discussion about anything to do with trans issues was like racism and got very aggressive.

The conversation then went away from the workplace-related stuff and I said that I could see why females may not want to share changing rooms, prisons, refuges or other safe spaces with people with male bodies (was choosing my words carefully). I said that even if all genuine trans women were harmless, wouldn't a law that opened all doors to anyone who said they were any sex or gender allow predatory and non-genuine trans women AKA men be harmful to biologically female women? Obviously then got called transphobic and a T*RF. I said I was a MERF (M being male) when it came to single-sex spaces, but had no phobia of genuine trans people at all. Gave the examples of Jessica Yaniv and Karen White and got the answer that they are made-up and not genuine trans women anyway. Ok, I said, so that is exactly my point. Colleague stomped off.

Why is it seen as so radical to defend web-based rights? Why is it so controversial to point out that a penis can be dangerous to others in a way that a vagina just isn't? Why are women's/ female rights suddenly a taboo topic?

It sounds like you handled that situation very well. If someone already has an entrenched view, it's unlikely you'll change their mind straightaway, but hopefully you've sown the seeds of a future reassessment.

Perhaps your colleague is going to transition in the near future? Still no excuse.

Like racism my fucking arse.

I like the sound of web-based rights tho'...

Agreed - always good to sow seeds...

‘They are not genuine Transwomen’ - self ID says they are - is he without realising it agreeing that self ID not a valid measure of medically diagnosed gender dysphoria????!!!

The racism comparison comes up the whole time similar to the violent lesbian trope.

Melanin/ or lack of doesn’t rape
Adults with penises - I.e adults with male bodies - I.e men - have the capacity to rape

Aside - In the gay liberation - LGB campaigned to be equal and LGB, not equal and defined as heterosexual.

OP, very well done. You used calm logical arguments. I’m sure your colleague stamped off because he didn’t have any counter arguments that would hold water!
Shouting abuse such as “Terf” and “Die in a grease fire” seems to be about the level of debate we receive from the activists pushing this agenda. Either that, or trying to silence us with their “No debate” mantra.
Initially your colleague will probably be angry that he lost the argument. But if he has any decency and objectivity at all, he will reflect on your statement privately, and perhaps begin to question his own unthinking wokeness. He has no skin in this game anyway - it’s not his spaces that are being invaded, nor his safety, comfort and privacy at risk from self ID.

"Perf" was doing the rounds for a while, penis excluding radical feminist, but obviously it never caught on because you have to say "penis" to explain it.

Merf is a bit more polite.

And lol I've had the "you're like a racist" line too. It's a TRA thing. Just breeze it out.

Sorry, sex-based, not web-based!

Colleague female!

This is what we are up against.

All they have is insults. The fact that given trans people are apparently not safe in their correct sexed space and opening up the spaces they want to use to these very same people they think are going to kill them has never been addressed..

Yes, all they can do is say we are unkind. TRAs cannot, and never have come up with a sensible response to feminists' questions or assertions.

Unbelievable, really, that the 'response' to 'males shouldn't be housed in female prisons as they may rape or sexually assault the females' is 'you're unkind and they are marginalised'. But that's it, that's all there is.

It's all so extreme and illogical. And emotionally manipulative, like feminism and wanting to protect women's rights causes suicide and murder of trans people. No discussion, no debate.