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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Caretaker caught secretly filming women in primary school toilets

22 replies

ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen · 30/12/2019 18:42

Not sure if already posted.

The lengths he went to are quite shocking, even putting an 'out of order' sign on the other cubicle so everyone would have to use the cubicle with the camera. Among the footage was an adult helping a child.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/school-caretaker-camera-toilet-jail-wimbledon-london-matthew-stupples-a9264466.html

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Michelleoftheresistance · 30/12/2019 19:06

But this never happens.

And if it does happen it's very rare and isolated cases and it's not fair to tar all male people with the same brush (and suggest that male people shouldn't have absolute freedom to enter female spaces at will)

And if it is, then there are criminal penalties so everything is made right afterwards and those victims having experienced what they experienced isn't an awful situation for them

And if it is, then female people just need to get over their fear of penises and sexual hang ups about other people's perfectly acceptable kinks, and should learn not to mind about being watched in deeply humiliating and personal situations

And if they shouldn't, then it's a small and worthwhile price for female people to pay for the happiness of male people.

slipperywhensparticus · 30/12/2019 19:10

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Uncompromisingwoman · 30/12/2019 19:15

Just think, he won't need to be a caretaker any longer cos he can just go into all these wonderful new mixed sex toilets and changing rooms and hide his cameras there - without any challenge.
Bet he'll head for M & S when he's let out. Sad

merrymouse · 30/12/2019 20:36

Just think, he won't need to be a caretaker any longer

Haven't you heard? If somebody wants to film a woman in a toilet, they will find a way - get a job as a caretaker, pop to the loo, whatever, it's all the same really.

Women should not be concerned about this kind of thing, because they just need to inform a member of staff of the secret camera that nobody can see, and the member of staff (who will be trained how to deal with this kind of incident on a case by case basis) will stop this happening after the event.

Women should be reassured that prosecution for reported rape cases is now as high as 1.7%!

Gizmo79 · 30/12/2019 20:38

Christ, isn’t this all so depressing

Uncompromisingwoman · 30/12/2019 20:44

They don't need to find a way now merrymouse. All of our major institutions and businesses welcome men like this into their shiny new mixed sex facilities. No more subterfuge or hiding - he can go about his 'business' all in plain sight and women are bullied into silence and submission.

Melroses · 30/12/2019 20:48

Didn't anyone tut loudly ? Confused

LastNameMarple · 30/12/2019 20:48

This happened just a couple of years ago in a primary school in north london. My DCs don’t go there, but it was very local. He had cameras in the adult female toilets and changing areas. I think he got a suspended sentence Shock.

Fucking creep. And if he hadn’t have been caught, he may well have escalated to more extreme behaviour, as we all know is the pattern with sex offenders, although obviously the courts ignore this fact Angry.

LastNameMarple · 30/12/2019 20:53

Ah he was jailed, actually, for 16 months. For that level of deceit, perversion and betrayal of professional trust. Ridiculous.i can’t seem to do a click link....

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jail-for-caretaker-who-secret-cameras-in-school-toilets-a3186471.html%3famp

merrymouse · 30/12/2019 21:06

uncompromisingwoman thought sarcasm in my post was more obvious! Grin

littlbrowndog · 30/12/2019 21:08

Creeps. Creeps creeps.

Why. Do men do,this. It’s like so beyond my thinking about sex. Like watching this stuff that they record.

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JolyonsChickensAreBigots · 30/12/2019 21:12

i wonder how often this happens and they aren't caught Angry

Uncompromisingwoman · 30/12/2019 21:13

Sorry merrymouse . Am having a sarcasm / irony bypass his evening. Evidently need more Wine Grin

justcly · 30/12/2019 21:14

@Melroses:

The failure to tut loudly and move away was obviously the problem here. 🙄

SapphosRock · 30/12/2019 21:19

i wonder how often this happens and they aren't caught

I was thinking the same Angry disgusting man. The sentence should have been longer imo.

Mumfun · 30/12/2019 22:33

Was watching the Canada Senate committee hearings with Meghan Murphy. And the colleague with her Mr Dirks provided some very telling testimony that we do not see such behaviour among women: Mr. Dirks: The statistics are that voyeurism and exhibitionism are almost completely dominated by males; upwards of 98 per cent, probably greater.

I’ve personally gone through state sexual offender records, and high-risk sex offenders are almost always male, again around the 98 per cent mark.

Also, fantasies of voyeurism: Able, in his 1998 study; and Templeman, in his 1991 study. The sample that Templeman had in 1991 found that 40 per cent of males had engaged in voyeurism . That’s a tremendous statistic. In another study that Templeman cites, upwards of 40 per cent had fantasized about voyeurism and others about pedophilia and rape.

These are criminal patterns that do not exist amongst women. They are significant. The magnitude of differences between male and female on these kinds of things is enormous. There are some very important things that need to be in place when it comes to sex segregation to protect women and girls. (from sencanada.ca/en/Content/Sen/Committee/421/LCJC/53308-e)

NightsOfCabiria · 30/12/2019 23:47

This is a growing issue with Air B&B too. The Metro reported on it in June.

littlbrowndog · 30/12/2019 23:50

Yeah I mean how many women would put cameras into male toilets to,film men peeing or into male changing rooms.

Ffs how obvious is this stuff.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 31/12/2019 07:11

See, my response is "why the hell would I want to watch random men peeing?"

But lots of men do. You could write a dissertation about the reasons why but ultimately that's just yet another attempt to avoid dealing with the fact that there is a clear difference in behavior between men and women in terms of sexual predation and that's why single sex spaces were created in the first place.

ChattyLion · 31/12/2019 09:46

Oh god this is absolutely horrible.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 31/12/2019 18:23

2020

That article that you linked,what a horrible man.
The language used throughout makes me feel uneasy. Why are they not calling it what it is? Child sex abuse?I don't know if it's because the term wasn't used in the court or because it's not classed as child sex abuse? Saying he rewarded them with cash ect, he didn't reward them he took advantage.
Am I making too much out of this article?

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