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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Steamfan · 29/12/2019 15:16

Have posted a helpful link on their FB page saying "don't suffer alone! re domestic violence. It has a link to Women's Aid - and first comment out "what about the men?" it's always about the bloody men, isn't it? Sadly most of the comments are angry that there's "nothing for the men" - despite the fact that at least one - female - poster has put them in. Most of the 70 odd comments are not happy that it's about women. FFS

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PegasusReturns · 29/12/2019 15:22

Urgh! So many women shouting what about the men Angry

ArranUpsideDown · 29/12/2019 15:25

As far as I can see, every time DV is mentioned the comments on social media are flooded with 'whataboutery' and dubious research.

I saw this in response to the firehose+ technique:

In Spain they have a word for this technique. 'Hammering the thought' you hit the idea like a hammer, and hit it, and hit it again with different people (trolls) hitting and eventually the person will give up. Let's not give up!

+Firehose technique:

Firehosing relies on pushing out as many lies as possible as frequently as possible. That’s typical for propaganda, but the aspect that makes firehosing a unique strategy is that it doesn’t require the propagandist to make the lies believable. That seems counterintuitive, but as Carlos Maza of Vox explains, firehosing is effective because its goal isn’t to persuade. It’s to rob facts of their power. Firehosing inundates us with so many wild opinions that it becomes exhausting to continually disprove them. In this scenario, reality is reduced to positioning and who can sell their position best."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/07/firehosing-the-systemic-strategy-that-anti-vaxxers-are-using-to-spread-misinformation

"current Russian approach to propaganda builds on Soviet Cold War–era techniques, with an emphasis on obfuscation and on getting targets to act in the interests of the propagandist without realizing that they have done so.1 In other ways, it is completely new and driven by the characteristics of the contemporary information environment. Russia has taken advantage of technology and available media in ways that would have been inconceivable during the Cold War. Its tools and channels now include the Internet, social media, and the evolving landscape of professional and amateur journalism and media outlets.

Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda
High-volume and multichannel
Rapid, continuous, and repetitive
Lacks commitment to objective reality
Lacks commitment to consistency.
We characterize the contemporary Russian model for propaganda as “the firehose of falsehood” because of two of its distinctive features: high numbers of channels and messages and a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions. In the words of one observer, “[N]ew Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”

Contemporary Russian propaganda has at least two other distinctive features. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency."

www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

ScrimshawTheSecond · 29/12/2019 17:51

Arran, that's brilliant to have that strategy named and clearly described. I've seen it plenty - and recently read an article (shared on fb) that really employed that technique - it was so riddled with inaccuracies and misinformation that I just couldn't begin to tackle it without my response looking really out of proportion.

DetroitWildling · 29/12/2019 19:21

This trend towards centering men in domestic violence provision is a denial of reality. Men are a danger to women. Men aren't vulnerable by having and rearing children. It disgusts me. Let men support men, they can't let women have even a sliver of hope of escaping, can they?

theflushedzebra · 29/12/2019 21:20

They will attempt to make domestic violence "gender neutral' too - just as they are attempting to make rape a "gender neutral" crime.

Men's rights activists, pissed off with women actually getting some rights, being able to gain convictions against men in (a small number of) dv and rape cases, and have a means of escaping violent men, have been working towards this for so long.

This is driven by the men who want to keep women dependent on them, who want ownership of women. I used to think it was a minority of men who wanted this - now I'm not so sure.

But I can't believe so many women are willingly going along with this assault on women's rights.

ArranUpsideDown · 29/12/2019 22:05

They will attempt to make domestic violence "gender neutral' too - just as they are attempting to make rape a "gender neutral" crime.

Is this a grab for research funding (there isn't that much available)?

Or is this to invalidate it as a problem/crime?

I don't understand the endgame.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 29/12/2019 22:13

Is there an endgame? It could be just blind rage driven by a hatred of women.

theflushedzebra · 29/12/2019 22:19

It's from here. So, the second of your options, I think. A ploy to make rape not a male crime.

As the law currently stands, rape is committed by a male, with his penis. To make it gender neutral denies the reality of male violence against women.

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theflushedzebra · 29/12/2019 22:22

Oh, and no doubt because it's transphobic to say only men have penises now. Therefore, rape, along with everything else has to be fucking gender neutral now.

Let's face it, we knew this would happen, how could it not?

DetroitWildling · 29/12/2019 22:59

Money. It has to be to do with money. Creating a bunch of sickly medically dependent people, women will stop marrying because it's too risky, fewer children born so population reduction. At this point nothing seems totally outlandish.

littlbrowndog · 29/12/2019 23:06

It don’t Detroit it’s like madness has been contagious

People have lost their brains and the ability to,use the brain they have.

Especially in government councils political parties etc

Yet ordinary people see it easily and know this stuff is a pack of shitev

theflushedzebra · 29/12/2019 23:08

The objective is putting women back in their place.

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