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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cancelled by the Woke

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vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 12:32

unherd.com/2019/12/how-i-was-cancelled-by-dr-who/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3

Great article, very interesting insights re Dr Who fans. I recognise what he is talking about. Thank goodness this is impacting more and more people.

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/12/2019 16:50

Also that Dawson comment pretty much sums up Dawson's belief in what womanhood entails.
And the fact that's apparently perfectly fine with the woke while Roberts dropped by his publishers for saying that men aren't women says everything about the state of the trans movement.

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:57

Everyone knows that women are sexuality submissive and it doesn't matter which whole the man sticks out in.

A. Heteronormative much?
B. Which hole is of great interest to most men
C. Gross misogyny

This person is busy sharing their worldview with girls.

Vive le patriarchy.

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:58

Lol at autocorrect sorry

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:59

Sexually not sexuality
Hole not whole!
In not out Confused

vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 17:05

I think more than it being about any particular trans issue, the article is more about the raging mobs that descend if your opinion steps out if line with the 'progressive' mindset. I don't watch Dr Who but I thought the writer's perception that some fans felt the stories were there to serve a moral purpose was interesting.
I wouldn't want to watch something if being 'inclusive' was one of the strong points. With a good story that wouldn't matter to me.

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vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 17:08

Sorry, that was to Rufflecrow

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Clymene · 26/12/2019 17:16

I don't watch Doctor Who but that is a great article.

This bit particularly resonated: "But, then, BBC Studios made the classic embarrassing middle-aged error of assuming a loud, small group of young people are representative of all young people."

This is rife not just across the BBC but across many of our organisations, including the Labour Party.

Goosefoot · 27/12/2019 03:12

I really was not keen on the lesbian lizard lady. That whole set of storylines, they did't make a lot of sense, and they didn't seem possible. Which seems like a weird thing, but if I compare it say to the first new episode, with the living plastic mannikins - that seemed plausible. Crazy alien plastic coming alive in modern London. I had a formative experience as a child when I tried to shake hands with a mannikin and the hand came off - that episode was the stuff of nightmares for me.

But lizard ladies and dinosaurs in Victorian London - that's the past, right? We'd have heard of that.

Pandering to the hardcore fanbase landed us with the Matt Smith era; overly-complicated stories written purely for geeks where the casual viewer had to wait to hear Smith's last-minute explanation to understand what the hell had happened in the previous hour.

I was a pretty dedicated viewer though not a "fan" I tuned in reliably every week. And I usually like complicated, even slow plotting, and plots that extend over seasons rather than being very episodic. But many of those episodes confused the hell out of me, and the series were very over-written, disappearing up their own arses. It seemed toward the end that they was nothing ever really new or different it was all completely self-referential, like a sort of black hole crushed it all down into a tiny speck.

I think I watched the first Carpaldi season and then I said enough is enough.

Goosefoot · 27/12/2019 03:17

I thought the writer's perception that some fans felt the stories were there to serve a moral purpose was interesting.

I've noticed this a lot, you can't have a story that's morally ambiguous these days. Actually I am thinking too about the other discussion about A Christmas Carol, and I think that comes into this sense that people have that stories in film and books are being used as social activism more than real storytelling, be it in terms of casting, or including social issues in the plot, whatever.

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