women of child bearing age

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What a breath of fresh air to hear normal, simple facts of life, without any qualifiers or caveats.

Just that, simple, and life is easy. Women of childbearing age, - in relation to japans falling birth rate; despite efforts to increase the birth rate on last year it has fallen.

What simple and straightforward reporting from the bbc, for once.

How else can you say it.

It'd be good to have a discussion as to the feminist reasons why women of child bearing age are choosing not to marry and not to have children in East Asia.
It's a big issue in neighbouring S Korea too, where I lived for the last 2 and a half years. The average child per woman ratio is less than one.
S Korea has a rigidly patriarchial society and women are discriminated against in the workplace if they choose to have children. There's also the unequal division of domestic labour and childcare on top of that. The expectation that children will need to be sent to.expensive hagwons. A lot of keeping up with the Jones's in a saving face culture.

Its awful, but maybe children shouldn't be brought into a patriarchal, mysogynistic society.

Perhaps the planet can be all the better for far less population, and heal. I mean everywhere not just there. Here too, its not fair to bring children into.

The reason given in this morning's news, @1Micem0use, was that there are fewer women of childbearing age rather than that they were choosing not to have children- though they may be.

I thought it was the birth rate was down, as in less than 1.9 average per woman, but I may have not heard that they were counting the numbers of women as part of the issue.

The article I heard was the number of babies born in Japan this year was the lowest ever. Impacted by the number of women of childbearing age.
There have been more significantly more deaths than births.

It might be for Japan.
I'm more knowledgable about the situation in it's near neighbour South Korea.
There's a new feminist movement among women in their early twenties and thirties who are actively choosing not to marry, or have children. This is also usually joined by a choice to not wear any makeup and to cut their hair short, as a protest against the countries rigid beauty standards. Think the english translation for the movement is burn the corset or something along those lines.
We're talking about a country where a female news reporters decision to wear glasses instead of contact lenses was national news, photographs are requested on the CVs for all job applications, and a common graduation present from parents to daughters is double eye lid surgery.

If women decide en masse not to have kids, men won't like it, governments won't like it, and I don't like to think what the reaction might be.

a common graduation present from parents to daughters is double eye lid surgery Jesus, that's awful

It's really interesting to me that Japan and S Korea have the same issue, very low birth rate, but different causes. Especially as they are so close geographically.

Yeah its dreadful. Most koreans are born with mono lids, but the culture is that they are seen as ugly. 1 in 4 korean women will have the double eyelid surgery.

At the moment no Gilead situation, just financial incentives. Every woman who has paid into national insurance gets 600 thousand won (spending power out there of 600 quid) on a card which can be used for medical things. Theres no NHS so it is useful. I was in korea until I was 6 months pregnant, and still had money left on my card when I left.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/stories-45201725

I've also heard discussion that as women begin to realise that marriage equals exchanging independence, autonomy and freedom for a strongly defined subordinate role in a strongly patriarchal society, women are choosing to stay single. And who can blame them?

I just had my annual meet up with old friends, many of whom I went to school with. It's amazing how many women of my generation were either very briefly married, and escaped it like a bat out of hell, or are still happily single. With career, a number of them with kids, and all of them happy that way.

I hear Kim Ji Young, born 1982 caused quite a stir when it was released in cinemas in SK recently, 1M1ce. Is the feminist movement taking off in earnest, and are younger men supportive or pushing back?

I watch a lot of kdrama and I’ve been agog at some of the sex discrimination in the workplace dramas, especially towards single mothers.

It's the incel issue isn't it? Women have a choice now, and who wants to sign up to play a subordinate/shit role in someone else's misogyny?

The difference is that incels say women should be forced to be treated like shit, because poor men with no wives/girlfriends.

Women say if you didn't treat women like shit, they might want to be with you, get a grip.

Re Japan: isn't one of the reasons for declining birth-rate that they don't have much inward migration? While it's common in affluent countries for women to have fewer children, in, eg Europe, it's balanced by inward migrants having children and adding to the birthrate. And often at a higher percentage rate than the local population, which in some countries has dropped below the rate to maintain population numbers.

If women decide en masse not to have kids, men won't like it, governments won't like it, and I don't like to think what the reaction might be.

Romania, Decree 770. historycollection.co/17-moments-in-history-that-inspired-the-handmaids-tale/17/

That film was very popular with young women. Sadly not very many young men are supportive of Korea's new feminist movement.
All able bodied young men have to do a few years of national service. So the standard thing to hear from them is that they disregard all feminist issues (spycams hidden in public bathrooms, appearance based work discrimination, maternity discrimination, domestic violence, abortion not legal until Sept 2020) because they have to do national service and women don't.

The way single mothers are treated is disgusting. I recommend looking at the website KUMFA for more information.
Most korean women will risk an illegal abortion or give their babies to orphanages rather than raise a child as a single mother.
The Male children of single mothers are barred from doing national service as they are seen to be psychologically damaged. This excludes them from what is in many ways a shared right of passage amongst men in Korean society.

The Male children of single mothers are barred from doing national service as they are seen to be psychologically damaged. This excludes them from what is in many ways a shared right of passage amongst men in Korean society.

Bloody hell!

Yes quite dB. Caecescu (sp) was horrendous.

Religious right in USA anti abortion anti contraception quiverful etc is also about forcing women (the 'right' sort) to breed. The whole approach of RC. About building numbers of your group. And of course tying women down.

What it might look like in other parts of the world, we will have to see. But men won't like it, and laws can and have been enacted to force women to have babies.

My partner was in Japan for a while before I met him and his description of the misogyny out there was horrifying. For example, he told me that men are expected to force themselves onto women when having sex because any woman who makes herself sexually available is seen as a slut. (I hasten to add he was single the whole time he was there as he thought the whole thing was abhorrent.)

So the standard thing to hear from them is that they disregard all feminist issues (spycams hidden in public bathrooms, appearance based work discrimination, maternity discrimination, domestic violence, abortion not legal until Sept 2020) because they have to do national service and women don't.

Depressingly, the Swiss men I've met hold a less-extreme version of that view. If these men actually wanted parity with women, they'd support feminists in getting rid of all the crap that women face and men don't whilst also lobbying for either an end to national service or for national service to be unisex like Israel's.

he told me that men are expected to force themselves onto women when having sex because any woman who makes herself sexually available is seen as a slut.

Japan was already on my list of places never to set foot in. The schoolgirl knickers vending machines made sure of that.