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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cats (the movie) scores "visibility" points

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MotherForkinShirtBalls · 23/12/2019 21:10

I can't even with the stupid.

www.out.com/film/2019/12/20/judi-dench-says-her-cats-character-trans

Judi Dench may or may not have been joking that her cat character in Cats has been transed, but here's hoping, because "visibility matters". SMH.

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Cwenthryth · 23/12/2019 22:03

🤷🏻‍♀️ I can’t get worked up about this tbh. The decision to cast a woman as Old Deuteronomy is interesting tbh. Have they changed the lyrics to ‘she’?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/12/2019 22:20

Trans? Meh! But the furries might be rather keen on it.

mynameiswah · 23/12/2019 22:23

Think she was joking

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 23/12/2019 22:32

Still not sure who other than furries is meant to want to watch Cats. The CGI is firmly in romp around in the uncanny valley territory.

Gingerkittykat · 23/12/2019 23:04

All panto dames and the ugly sisters are also trans.

Mumsnut · 24/12/2019 00:11

The Mail has a review of Cats by Titania McGrath - on fine form. She makes the trans point too

Cwenthryth · 24/12/2019 08:02

I love the stage version of the musical. Yeah, it is bonkers, it is grown adults singing and dancing dressed as cats, and it is basically ‘two hours of stray cats introducing themselves’ as one review said, there’s bog all storyline. But it works on stage. I’ve even went to see the German touring version when I happened to be there when it was on, and my German is incredibly limited. Still an enjoyable evening.

I’m going to see the film at some point. But it really sounds like it hasn’t translated well.

Anyway, from a gender critical viewpoint I see articles like the one linked as desperate attempts for those adherent to gender ideology to prove that gender is ‘real’. When you’re grasping at a fictional cat in a film based on a musical based on a book of nonsense poetry though....yeah, I feel like there’s really no need for any more comment, it critiques itself.

CrissmussMockers · 24/12/2019 08:06

There is an issue here. The younger lady cats were CGI'd because it was thought they were a tad too visibly female.

(They gave them furry tits.)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/12/2019 08:34

I mean, from a bonkers/alarming CGI perspective I suppose we should just be glad they didn't do Starlight Express and give the lady trains boobs.

BeardedVulture · 24/12/2019 08:56

I went to see this last night, and the only things visible in it were abominations.

Cwenthryth · 24/12/2019 09:33

I suppose we should just be glad they didn't do Starlight Express and give the lady trains boobs

The standard Starlight Express stage costumes designate the female trains by them having sticky-out skirts..... can’t get away from stereotyping anywhere Xmas Grin

Like women Lego minifigures all having lipstick on 🤦🏻‍♀️

TheLittleBrownFox · 24/12/2019 09:58

I had planned to go to see it because I love the musical, but in all honesty the more I think about it the weirder it is that a film with CGI chose to do cats in human form. Xmas Confused it works on stage but I can't put my finger on why I don't think it should work on film?!

CigarsofthePharoahs · 24/12/2019 10:23

I'm not going to see the movie. Saw the stage show when I was 18 and loved it.
I wonder if the Otherkin community are up in arms about appropriation?

Birdsfoottrefoil · 24/12/2019 10:36

It is the CGI that is the problem. They should have just dressed the cats in costumes which indicated they were cats rather than try to create human-feline hybrids. I think it is something about this visualisation of human cross-species hybridisation that is so off. It would only work if the cats weren’t cats but aliens in a sci fi film.

Cwenthryth · 24/12/2019 11:57

The spectacle of the stage show is in the ability of the performers to invoke the appearance they are cats, with their movements, the costumes/makeup etc. If you’re using CGI then I feel that kinda misses the point. When I saw it as a child (late 80s) the actors were on all fours around the audience during the interval, head rubbing on people’s legs etc. At the time it was magical. Now it just conjures shades of that bizarre George Galloway thing on Big Brother 🤮

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/12/2019 12:04

The continuity issue of the size of the cat/human monster hybrid things changing size not just from scene to scene but apparently sometimes within the same scene taking place on the same set would drive me nuts, I'd be sitting there going "wait, weren't they almost people sized a minute ago? Why are they mouse sized now?"

Cwenthryth · 24/12/2019 13:05

The set for the theatre production is a big part of it all as well. You’re on a giant rubbish dump; you feel cat sized as well.

Really guys go and see the stage show Xmas Grin

I wonder if any of the celebrities in the film will end up doing turns on Broadway/West End.... although, without meaning to sound insulting I’m not sure all of them could do it on stage without the help of CGI and editing. The dancing requirements for most roles are truly phenomenal.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 24/12/2019 13:09

I also think you are able to suspend disbelief further when watching a stage show, there's just something special about live theatre that is lost on screen.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 24/12/2019 13:11

Given that the CGI and overall uncanny valley look of the trailer freaked people when watching it on their phones out just imagine how freaky it must look at full movie screen size! Every weird detail will be 100 times more obvious.

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