Self ID

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I truly am not trying to be antagonistic. However, could someone please explain to me on here, the difference between someone like Rachel Dolezal, who clearly wanted to be identified as black and 'self id' as black, and trans women.

Not a trans phobic thread, I hope, it's just pure ignorance on my part and I dont understand what the arguments behind it are. I realise in real life I'd probably be crucified for asking. Hence asking you lovely ladies to enlighten and inform me please?

Rachel dolezal is a woman therefore she is an offensive deluded maniac. Transwomen are men therefore stunning and brave 👍 have Christmas off op and read some of the threads on feminist chat if you want more info. Don’t read over Christmas though or January as too depressing.

Nothing imo

Nothing.

Well I have been reading the feminist thread which lead me to Google Jessica Yaniv, which then lead me to be horrified. And the liverpool woman's hospital toilets.

I'm not suggesting all trans women are like JY, by any means but I'm more than a little worried about the aggression towards people like JKR or any woman who holds a different view.

It's a brave new world and we can all be whatever or whoever we want to be. As long as its not another race, and you can't do anything that maybe associated with another race, not even braid your hair. But you can become the oppersite sex, and a penis can be a vagina just based on feelings.

Don't try and make sense of it, there is no logic to any of it. Just nod along to the pc police, have a drink and hope that the world snaps back to reality eventually.

The difference is gender dysphoria is a recognised condition - trans men and women have been legally able to change gender for about 15 years or so. There is no such legal recognition for Rachel Dolezal.

I guess if enough people started identifying as a different race then it could become a thing but as far as I know she's the only one.

Dolezal WAS an offensive deluded maniac. She shouldn't have done it.

But I'm not talking about gender dysphoria, which, if I'm not mistaken, is diagnosed by a medical professional after extensive assessment. I. Talking about self ID.

SapphosRock haven't you heard that gender dysphoria isn't an important part of being trans any more? It's oppressive to suggest that gender dysphoria is needed, all that is needed is for some to tell people that they feel like the opposite sex, that's the whole point of self ID.

Evening, everyone. The OP has asked us to move this to FWR so we'll shift it there now.

The difference is gender dysphoria is a recognised condition

Like OddBoots wrote, it's actually transphobia these days to say that gender dysphoria is needed for someone to be trans. It's a commonplace on the Internet that self-ID is completely free of needing such a condition. It's acceptance without exception in all circumstances.

Self-ID is anyone saying "I feel like I'm a woman and therefore I am one" and it being a horrible crime to question this. Anyone. Whatever their circumstances, their incarceration status, their history of violence against women. Anyone.

In my view the big difference between self-ID and Rachel Dolezal is this. For self-ID it is supposedly absolutely forbidden to question a trans person's assumed identity. For Rachel Dolezal it's open season to question her background, her motivations, her circumstances, what happened, the whole shebang.

So I understand this side of the arguement is. What are the arguments for self ID? Just before I am labelled as a 'terf'. I'd like to make an informed judgement.

I think 'judgement ' is the wrong word sorry. Not my place to 'judge's. Opinion? Although, I still think a different 'opinion' is still looked on as transphobic?

The argument, as I understand it, though I do not agree with it, is:

The process to change your legal sex is too lengthy and requires the person to show a commitment to the process (living in 'as the opposite sex')

It's expensive (it isn't, the admin process and panel costs are covered, it's not a tenner but it's not hundreds either)

It's intrusive but the truth is you don't need to have any surgery or even take cross-sex hormones in order to get a GRC.

For me, the argument for Self ID reads like "I am this and everyone must agree and accept."

There's more to it than this and I'll look up the exact time and money if someone doesn't come along to clarify soon but those are the headlines.

The process to change your legal sex is too lengthy and requires the person to show a commitment to the process (living in 'as the opposite sex')

Just to note that the "commitment" required goes no further than changing the name on your gas bill to one that sounds girly.

The actual intent behind it is to reorganise society so that sex no longer exists in legal or social form and we're all coerced by law to pretend it doesn't exist in biology either, and replace it with the neo-religion of "gender identity".