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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What if it's your JOB to recognise sex exists?

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WomanBornNotWorn · 20/12/2019 10:51

I wonder how people whose jobs, careers and professions are all entirely based around sex specifics will deal with this?

Then I started listing them ...

obstetricians
gynaecologists
endometriosis specialists
foetal ultrasound techs
mammographers
IUD specialists
midwives
prostate, testicular, penile, breast, cervical, uterine and vulval cancer specialists
IVF specialists
blood, urine and semen sample testers
sperm bank staff
surrogacy specislists
designers and manufacturers of contraceptives, sanpro, incontinence care products
designers and manufacturers of sex aids
sex ed teachers
geneticists
menopause consultants
HRT makers
designers and manufacturers of mastectomy care products
forensic examiners who need to be able to sex human remains
surgeons who do genital surgery for any reason
and chicken sexers (yes, it's a thing)

What if anything they are all being told about policing themselves?

Or out in the real world, is there a collective 'FFS ….' and eyerolling - but getting on with business as usual?

Please feel free to add everything I've forgotten - could be useful to have a list all in one place.

Anyone working in those or similar fields like to comment?

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FlyingOink · 21/12/2019 12:34

It’s a good example of hubris leading to one’s downfall.
But.
If that person had died, the family could have sued, and asked the obvious question of whether someone's delusion would have prevented them receiving treatment in any other situation. The objectively wrong medical treatment was given. It's not like opting out of blood transfusions or declining any treatment, the medical team knew this path was wrong but decided that affirmation was more important than clinical outcome.

I know medicine is consent based, but there's a reason doctors don't let anorexics starve themselves to death because they think they look fat.

If I had a sister or daughter who died because the hospital gave her the treatment for a man I would claim negligence.

SpamChaudFroid · 21/12/2019 12:38

designers and manufacturers of sex aids

This company seem unsure about which sex class have clitorises.

From their website:

"Clitoral vibrators are amazing – did you know that over a 1/3 of people who identify as female NEED clitoral stimulation to have an orgasm."

So not for transmen then. Even though they have the correct body parts for said vibrator.

ArranUpsideDown · 21/12/2019 12:40

I understand people in science and medicine who are not involved in the discussion because they fear for themselves, their families, and the researchers who depend upon them for their funding/reputation etc.

I do not understand people who specialise in sex and reproduction who claim that sex is beyond dimorphic simplicity.

It seems that the people who do not believe sex is binary in science and medicine Twitter are vocal about it. This is where some of the imbalanced debate lies.

Eg, a Professor Public Health with a special interest in sexual and reproductive health retweeted this thread as a comment on the JKR tweets (shortly after claiming that GC feminists are funded by rightwing money):

Apparently, we're gonna talk about sex. Like physical sex! Because... there's some confusion.

First, sex defined: We're talking physical sex here, not gender. Body parts, hormones, and genetics (and more).

BLUF: BIOLOGICAL sex is a spectrum

Ok, everyone's super familiar with the XX/XY dichotomy, right? Yeah, what we all learned in like... 4th grade? And that's great, it gives you a starting point. But it's... well it's only the very starting point.

The IDEA is, XX is girl, XY is boy, right?

Welllll... that's not totally right. There are XY people, who have ovaries! And give birth! AH! And XX people who have male bodies and functional sperm! Double AH! [Thread continues]

twitter.com/ScienceVet2/status/1035246030500061184?s=20

Do we think this professor genuinely doesn't know instinctively which patient in front of her needs to use which form of contraception or prophylactic?

I miss @BowlofBabelfish

FannyCann · 21/12/2019 17:12

I miss @BowlofBabelfish

Me too where is she? Was she banned?

BarbaraStrozzi · 21/12/2019 22:14

I think Bowl's just really busy with young Ramekin Babelfish. She did pop up a few days ago and post something, but is running silent, running deep again. I miss her too.

testing987654321 · 22/12/2019 08:31

Ironically, people who would call me a Terf and claim that TWAW would also call me a swerf. Yet anyone working in the sex industry will be very clear on what sex their sexworker should be.

theunknownknown · 22/12/2019 09:59

I had a conversation with a business analyst the other week (initiated by him) about how difficult it had been to persuade a healthcare organisation that they couldn’t just change the “sex” field on their databases to “gender” and still expect to be able to give effective care to patients. He said it was an uphill battle to get them to have two fields
Tell me why knowing what gender someone considers themselves to be is important?

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