"‘No evidence’ that men are using trans identity for sexual violence"

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Scotland section of the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a42ec8d2-2107-11ea-9a0e-84d50453511a?shareToken=8f86b7983e1bbc4544e7a4dd8d0a470a

What does the Scottish government count as 'evidence'?

Well, apart from the evidence that they do just that.

The Scottish government clearly hasn't looked very far.

Oh. Did we all collectively imagine Karen White into being? We're quite a powerful bunch after all.

Well that’s excellent news isn’t it? I’ve no doubt that the Scottish government will publish this rigorous review of the evidence leading to this conclusion which given the importance of the matter will almost certainly have been carried out by a balanced group of academics including those in favour and the gender critical

Right?

Right????

“The Scottish government has not identified any evidence supporting a link between women-only spaces being inclusive of transgender women and non-trans men falsely claiming a trans identity to access these spaces and commit sexual violence.”

And here is why we must never argue that our concern is not male transitioners, but only that predatory men will misuse this legislation.

There have been cases where self-ID’d men have attacked women in women’s spaces, but they can’t be counted as “falsely claiming” because there is no way of telling whether it’s a violent genuine transitioner or someone pretending.

But there are plenty of others that are. Including stats that 50% of trans inmates are sex offenders.

Exactly. So, if men aren't using trans identity for sexual violence, the only conclusion is that there are disproportionate levels of sexual violence perpetrated by transwomen.

Either way, this isn't something that women should have to deal with.

There is no evidence men identify as transgender to access female-only spaces to commit sexual violence, the Scottish government has said.

There is no 'evidence' that can determine whether a man is transgender at all tho.

Didn't the Ian Huntley case turn out to be an urban myth.

It's easy for people to dismiss the GC argument as overblown 'hysteria' when a quick Google indicates the IH self-ID is unsubstantiated.

Happy to be corrected.

Karen White on the other hand...

Here’s a list of interesting characters, I’m sure they’re all genuine trans, because, well they say they are:

mobile.twitter.com/historywoman/status/1191453438825181186

Honestly. It's such an easy point to refute. It's nonsense.

If you're talking about evidence that someone is trans, then let's bloody have it! What evidence?

Karen White is surely the example here? Even one of their ex-partners said she didn’t believe White was genuinely trans but enjoyed using the identity to exert control over people and bully them for misgendering.

Didnt even the brain scans prove inconclusive besides areas that would have been shaped by how you live life as opposed to proving it was a female brain?

Also is it correct that the only concern is ‘sexual violence’? Good old fashioned violence violence eg abusive partner identifying into the refuge; women from certain communities losing access to sports/healthcare; women losing the right to a HCP of the same sex?

I suppose if you’re the Government you focus on one impact that you claim you can disprove and hope people don’t look at the bigger picture.

It's completely irrelevant whether or not IH being trans was a myth or not. There is no reason a paedophile, rapist or other type of abuser can't be trans. When the fake story broke I don't recall a big rush to clarify that being trans was dependent on not having committed a male pattern (sex /violence) crime.

I really don't get the short-sightedness of people who think we have a more saintly population of human walking amongst us. Trans people are no more or less special than any other human. Stats show crime pattern correlation with natal sex. How could anyone possibly expect otherwise?

I don't think all celebrities, priests or scout leaders are abusers any more than I think all trans people are abusers. But haven't we learned that it's dangerous to bestow a trusted status onto a group of people that puts them outside of safeguarding practice? That makes people afraid to question anything?

I thought that crime statistics were recorded as the offender's chosen gender, so we won't see any 'evidence' will we.

Crimes will be recorded as female and we're just told to shut up and get on with it!

“The Scottish government has not identified any evidence supporting a link between women-only spaces being inclusive of transgender women and non-trans men falsely claiming a trans identity to access these spaces and commit sexual violence.”

So what they're saying here is that the male bodied people who have committed sexual violence in women-only spaces are genuinely transgender.

That's an interesting argument, but it doesn't really support their case for reform.

Okay, presumably the well known and documented cases like Karen White and Katie Dolatoeski don't count because the govt areclassong them as genuine trans people rather than opportunist non trans.

So. What is the difference and how so we tell? The three months of introspection and a vague threat of prosecution will deter non genuine trans from a grc? That's it? That's all there is to protect women? That's not reassuring, for some odd reason.

Well we have evidence of males "seeking gender reassignment to facilitate or normalise paedophilia."

From 2011
www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/6B5F217162ABD9B3189F2EB82787034E/S1758320900012695a.pdf/gender_reassignment_5_years_of_referrals_in_oxfordshire.pdf

Out of 54 people that attended assessment, 39 were male and of these males a "small group described gender reassignment as a means by which to increase their intimate contact with children, which they viewed to be more socially acceptable in a female role."

These males were (at that time) refused referral to a specialist centre for gender reassignment under the NHS, but there is little to stop them going abroad if they can find the money, and obviously self-ID, no questions asked is exactly what these males would be angling for.

There is nothing to say that they did not also have gender dysphoria but if they did have it, it was co-morbid with a paraphilia.

The study also said "This study is retrospective in nature and its primary objective was not to establish psychiatric diagnoses. None of the individuals seen by the service had a formal diagnostic interview so it is likely that Axis II comorbidity in this sample is underreported."

Axis II diagnoses include personality disorder.

I always wonder where these paedophilic transition-seeking males are now, maybe trying to join the Girl Guides.

There is plenty of evidence. But even if there wasn’t any evidence, women’s rights are not for men to give away Marc Horne. Doesn’t actually affect you does it mate? So it’s all bollocks.

Okay, presumably the well known and documented cases like Karen White and Katie Dolatoeski don't count because the govt areclassong them as genuine trans people rather than opportunist non trans.

And if that's the case then all it proves is that men who identify as trans can be sexual predators who should be kept out of women only spaces, in the same way as all other men are, because we can't tell which of those men are dangerous and which ones aren't.

And anyway, today the process of being officially trans is a highly controlled process.

Spelling it out, that's like saying we can change the seatbelt law as the death rate in crashes is low.

Or even..since there is evidence that trans people do abuse at a rate consistent with their sex, perhaps the people are just being pedantic with language,

it's not why they want to transition, but there is evidence that it's a lucky bonus when they do.