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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to get hitched as a feminist: mixed-sex civil unions to begin

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stumbledin · 17/12/2019 14:43

This was the title of a Guardian article about the changes that have come into effect allowing heterosexual couple enter a civil partnership.

Does anyone think this is a victory for feminists?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/how-get-hitched-feminist-mixed-sex-civil-partnerships-begin-england-wales

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SidJS · 17/12/2019 15:35

I heard them on the radio during their campaign and I still couldn’t work out what their point was.

Marrriage is what you make of it - if all you want is a piece of paper which you never refer to to provide financial security - Wills / Pensions etc then fine. You don’t have to change anything else in your life if you choose not to.

Patriacal baggage doesn’t mean anything to me in my marriage.

Would I prefer the choice to have my mother’s name to be on my marriage as well as / instead of my father’s as they argued - yes of course.

To me, this is equivalent to having the father listed first on my children’s birth certificates despite me doing 99.9999999% of the work - from conception to registration. Didn’t stop me having children. (This needs to change though)

I think the government missed a trick not providing the same rights to siblings, long term friends etc.

TwatticusFinch · 17/12/2019 16:49

Marriage is what you make of it

This. It's like objecting to Saturday because you don't worship the Roman god Saturn.

ChristmasSpiritsOnThRocksPleas · 17/12/2019 16:52

It is of you are a virtue signalling feminist or you think infidelity is feminist but otherwise no. There is literally no difference between the two besides the image and the grounds for dissolution.

PerspicaciaTick · 17/12/2019 16:58

There's nothing feminist about CPs. They are just marriages without (if you choose) the talking.
The only thing I like about them is being able to record your father's AND mother's details.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 17/12/2019 16:59

Article doesn't actually explain what the difference is.

I would appreciate clear information setting out the legal implications of marriage (or civil union).

PerspicaciaTick · 17/12/2019 17:02

There is no difference between being married and being in a civil partnership except you can't end a CP on grounds of adultery or STIs.
Marriage is a verbal contract, a CP is a written contract. A CP lets you record 4 parents each...a marriage only 1 each (father).

NonnyMouse1337 · 17/12/2019 17:05

On what grounds can you end a CP?

Recording both sets of parents seems fair.

BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF · 17/12/2019 17:08

Iirc there are differences with inheritance too, but I can't remember what!

ScrimshawTheSecond · 17/12/2019 17:10

Thanks, Perspicacia. I found this, which also details some apparent differences between pension entitlement:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/marriage-and-civil-partnership-in-england-and-wales

ScrimshawTheSecond · 17/12/2019 17:10

And yes, recording mother and father seems fairer and better for posterity/information, too.

TeiTetua · 17/12/2019 17:18

Some people think that marriage comes with too much historical baggage, which give it a sexist association. Then others say they're happy to be doing it in a way that leaves all that behind. So maybe you could say feminists don't all agree over marriage, but I wouldn't call it "feminist" to avoid it altogether and use a totally new scheme. The listing of parents on the documents needs to be made equal, though.

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