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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Smart' dress reveals how often women are groped...

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RustyBear · 14/12/2019 22:24

3 women touched a total of 157 times in 4 hours

qz.com/quartzy/1477709/oglivys-smart-dress-shows-how-often-women-are-groped-at-clubs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=qz-paid&utm_campaign=Display-2019Q4-EYSpotlight&fbclid=IwAR3ccqN1XLvEDkQYUSm5h09BiiAIZ_S9V9HoApqwFn8rr9gNuTUbG-zSkeA

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TheShoesa · 15/12/2019 07:13

That is really shocking.
The depressing thing is, the results would likely be similar all over the world.

WineGummyBear · 15/12/2019 07:21

Not remotely surprisingly for any woman who goes to nightclubs.

Cool that we have the technology to scientifically quantify the problem to men who consistently underestimate the problem. can't possibly imagine that they might be a part of the problem

Neat trick but depressingly a drop in the ocean compared to all of the other messages men and women get from other sources (no means yes)

UnaOfStormhold · 15/12/2019 07:49

I can't help feeling that treating women with respect would look like believing what they say rather than having to go to these lengths!

Loopytiles · 15/12/2019 07:52

Great idea!

marvellousnightforamooncup · 15/12/2019 08:14

My Facebook is full of this story. www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/14/man-slapped-female-reporter-bottom-live-tv-arrested?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_News_Feed

Lots of men saying what's the fuss its a bit of fun. I pointed out she was doing her job while on air and was entitled to be left alone. According to them other women have it much worse so shut up basically.

When I said I didn't expect them to understand what being a woman is like, I do expect them to pause and listen. Then the you think you're speaking for all women, NAMALT, don't bring identity politics into it started.

It's all so depressing.

TheShoesa · 15/12/2019 12:07

marvellous I saw that on my facebook too.

The men saying it's just a bit of fun need to ask themselves if they would have the same response if he had done it to a male reporter. But that's impossible to answer, because he WOULDN'T have slapped a male reporter.

QuantumEntanglement · 15/12/2019 13:36

Not remotely surprisingly for any woman who goes to nightclubs...

...or for any woman who goes anywhere?
Look, I applaud the people who set this up but I wish they had tried this experiment somewhere other than a nightclub or, at least, as well as a nightclub. They could have maybe let these women, wearing more normal streetwear perhaps with the same sensors, go about their daily routines for a couple of days. I think that would have been far more effectively eye-opening for many men who just refuse to get it. I’m seeing so many comments from men (and depressingly some female apologists) suggesting that many of the touches could be accidental in close, crowded quarters like in a nightclub or the style of dress invites attention.

As usual, they’re missing the point, in many cases willfully NAMALTing and/or slut-shaming. FFS. It’s not the setting (the nightclub) and it’s not the type of clothing (clubbing dress) we need to get the message across that women are subjected to unwanted, unsolicited, non-consensual touching, grabbing, fondling, patting, groping ALL the time, EVERYwhere we go, wearing EVERY type of clothing. It IS a big deal and we need men to stop minimising it and just make it stop.

JellySlice · 15/12/2019 19:23

I wonder what the equivalent garment for men would have recorded.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 15/12/2019 22:22

What UnaofStormhold said.

“I can't help feeling that treating women with respect would look like believing what they say rather than having to go to these lengths.”

DonutMan · 16/12/2019 00:08

Wow, so one of them groped every 1.5 minutes. That's pretty shocking!

However, it mentions the main areas as arms, lower back, and backside. Touching a woman's bum is no doubt pretty inexcusable, but in a pack club you often have to touch somebody on the arm to let them know you're trying to get past them. Many people also touch others on the back during discussion, when leaning in to speak in their ear (you have to lean in and shout in a noisy club).

But either way it's undoubtedly not a good figure even if it was half of the amount stated!

JacquesHammer · 16/12/2019 09:38

Look, I applaud the people who set this up but I wish they had tried this experiment somewhere other than a nightclub or, at least, as well as a nightclub. They could have maybe let these women, wearing more normal streetwear perhaps with the same sensors, go about their daily routines for a couple of days. I think that would have been far more effectively eye-opening for many men who just refuse to get it

Absolutely this.

I never go to nightclubs. I still get groped. Most recent time was in a business meeting.

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