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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sex sex sex. Sex. Let's just say sex.

23 replies

WomanBornNotWorn · 12/12/2019 10:45

What I mean is I've had it with all the pretzel-twisty knots people (I see you, Swinson) get themselves into; all that cis, assigned, natal, biological, self-identified linguistic blabla ...

The word 'gender' slipped in as an oh thank goodness euphemism when people went pink saying 'sex,' especially at work. Then while we weren't all looking (me) it morphed - and was suddenly everywhere.

So I've just calmly started saying 'members of the female sex' and 'members of the male sex'. It's clunkier than 'women' or 'men' but I like the focus and fact.

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YellaHumberElla · 12/12/2019 10:55

Yep I agree. I’ve been doing this for the past year and it gets easier the more you give an airing.

Sex.

Clear, factual and representative of the basis of current law and equality rights.

Babdoc · 12/12/2019 11:02

I’m a retired doctor and never had this problem in the first place. Sex and gender are two entirely different things, one biological, one grammatical. Latterly, gender has been hijacked as a euphemism for sexist stereotypes, which I have always despised and campaigned against.

WomanBornNotWorn · 12/12/2019 11:05

I hope I don't get a sudden Miranda moment from saying it too much.

'Sex sex sex - oh it's gone weird now.'

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NonnyMouse1337 · 12/12/2019 11:14

I've started using 'biological sex' more often. And I say male and female explicitly too. I hope the trend these days to think of biology as something optional or obsolete or that it can be modified with zero consequences passes by as quickly as it caught on.

stillathing · 12/12/2019 11:20

Agree

Sex

I keep getting phone calls from nice well meaning yet uninformed local Labour Party men (to their credit they always listen respectfully). Somehow I always end up saying penis a lot. As well as sex.

AutumnRose1 · 12/12/2019 11:21

biological Sex needs to be called sex.

Physical sex should be called coitus as per another poster suggestion Grin

Thank you Sheldon.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 12/12/2019 11:26

Yes, I make a point of saying sex, and of crossing out 'gender' on forms where the question refers to sex, and if the form is online and can't be changed, if there is a freetext box anywhere I add "NB: your question asked for my 'gender' but given the context should have referred to 'sex' - please correct this for the future."

MockersFactCheckMN · 12/12/2019 11:27

Potential snigger issues with any reference to 'member'.

Noun-sex is sex.

Verb-sex has lots of gerunded names.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 12/12/2019 11:28

Yes, me too, I've started saying sex far more, crossing out gender on forms where possible, and both my kids are clear on what it means (in both senses), too.

Clarity is desperately needed!

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 12/12/2019 11:30

I never stopped saying sex. 'Gender' outside the context of gendered languages sounds ridiculous to me.

Sex, sexism, sexist stereotypes, sexuality, sexual intercourse.

I have no use for the word 'gender' in reference to human beings at all.

When communicating with the powers that be I am always more specific though and refer to 'sex, as determined at conception and observed at birth' every single time. It might be repetitive but I wish to be very clear that I am talking of immutable, unchangeable, can never be identified in to or out of, sex, not disembodied 'gender' feels.

clitherow · 12/12/2019 12:05

But you are only really showing yourselves to be real dinosaurs (joking) because we have evolved past sex and you poor things just haven't caught on yet.

We now have gender identity. You have to imagine it as a big sun that sends its beam through each one of us. Some of these beams go through a body with a penis and a beard and some through a body with a vagina and boobs. These beams are the most important thing about being human as they tell us who we are but we all experience these beams differently.

These inner identity beams are what make us human and they are now sacred and to say anything against them is blasphemous heresy.

If this beam makes you feel more 'male' and you have a vagina then that vagina is an expression of your innate maleness.

If the beam makes you feel more 'female' then your penis is an expression of your femaleness.

So now gender identity is PRIMARY
biological sex is SECONDARY

And this ideology has been creeping into law ever since the GRA in 2004 and is now redefining all of human behaviour because no one can challenge a person's inner identity beam because it is inside and known only to the beam carrier (unless you're Layla Moran of course).

So now we have to reorganise society around these newly-discovered beams - we must support people's gender identity otherwise we will not progress and evolve.

So people should have the right to:

-identify as the 'sex' that best accords with their gender identity beam so that it makes them happy. And they should have all the legal, social, sexual and biological rights of that sex. And where nature has not caught up with our beam evolution we strive to rectify this with such things as life-long hormone treatment and womb transplants.

  • but some people's beams are more fluid and shimmery and they oscillate between feeling all maley and femaley - so because the state's primary role is now to nurture the newly-discovered beams and make people happy they will give them the rights of whichever 'sex' they feel like at any given time.
  • Also, some people's beams make them feel like the opposite sex but they don't have to have any surgery because a penis can be as much an expression of femaleness as it is maleness. Alternatively, they could (for instance) keep the penis and just have breast implants (whatever the beam wants) - this is because biological sex is secondary to the gender beam.
  • but any surgical intervention or reassignment must be funded by the state because the state has now made it its business to support this new phase in human evolution. Interventions are justified on mental health grounds (to prevent suicide) even though it is categorically denied that identifying as the sex that does not accord with bodily sex is a mental health issue - it's anew phase in human development. Personal mental unease is seen as being society's fault as we are backward and have not yet realised that the beams exist and humanity is evolving to the next level. The fact that we called this condition 'dysphoria' in the past just proves how backwards we were.

So for the first time, we have the state legislating for the subjective happiness of certain of its citizens rather than their physical well-being. Moreover, the ruling global elites are attempting to re-define the very nature of humanity and the fact that is is global is very worrying indeed. This is state intervention (at the global level) in the very innermost part of the human being - it is unprecedented in all of human history.

VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 12:16

I’ve always said sex, never been uncomfortable with that. For the last few years I’ve been saying sex role stereotypes in place of gender as much as possible. I generally use misogyny though, as sexism can effect men also- sexist stereotypes etc, and that word works fine for those descriptors, but misogyny relates to the class oppression women face from men, which is not a two way thing, the same way racism is not a two way class oppression but prejudice works just fine when people make derogatory references to white skin or utilise offensive terms like white trash, which are gross but aren’t the same thing as racism. So I find the difference between sexism, that can effect either sex, and the class oppression of women as misogyny works well.

BiologyIsReal · 12/12/2019 12:27

Another crosser out of gender on forms here. Always said sex. And I have never bought into the often touted

The idea that it was embarrassment about the word sex that brought in the use of gender. The use of gender is relatively recent in historical terms and we live in an age that is sex obsessed, porn obsessed and where anything goes, with few things being treated as private more.

So don't try and convince me that it is embarrassment that has made the change. I'm pretty old by any standards and if the word sex doesn't embarrass me as an old granny it sure as hell won't be embarassing anyone middle-aged or young.

Long live sex. Fuck off gender.

BiologyIsReal · 12/12/2019 12:27

Sorry - fat fingers. Should read 'often touted idea'

QuantumEntanglement · 12/12/2019 12:32

I’ve been channeling Stannis from Game of Thrones for a while now only instead of me correcting ‘less’ to ‘fewer’ I’ve had this conversation with a few people including my son:

Me: “Sex.”
My son, puzzled: “Excuse me?”
Me: “You’re going to find out the baby’s sex on Friday not the baby’s gender. Sex.”
My son eyerolling: “OK then - sex.”

My own son, I ask you? DIL gets it though so there’s some hope for my prospective grandchild - it’s a boy btw!

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/12/2019 13:31

I had "gender" on a form from a tiny organisation who have zero clue about the whole problem and I'm sure would be gutted if they did.

Still, I nearly went through the paper when I scratched it out and replaced it with "sex".

WomanBornNotWorn · 12/12/2019 15:30

I was in a meeting where I mentioned the word sex in connection with grouping people appropriately. Cue schoolboy snickering and 'ooh yes please'. They were all 40+ male police officers. So yes - the giggle splutter factor is definitely a thing.

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VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 15:33

That sounds like men being stupid dicks, why should women moderate factual language for men being dickheads?

Think the complaints about sex being fine to use it’s that it’s not an uncomfortable, shameful or disrespectful word to say, it is every 3rd word in any pop song out there after all. If men want to behave like children when it’s said then they need told to stop behaving like children.

WomanBornNotWorn · 12/12/2019 15:42

Absolutely - the more we re-normalise it, the quicker the gender fog will lift.

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Cooroo · 12/12/2019 22:59

I agree with everything here (and thank you Clitherow for making everything so clear about the beams!) but, someone on the radio referred to a Gender Studies course, and it struck me that Sex Studies may be a step too far. Can we keep 'gender' for that and languages

Gorse · 13/12/2019 01:37

I blame the Americans.
I've played quite a few online word games in very recent years, and every single time I've placed sex on the "board" I'm told, and I quote: "That is not a word." It says the same if I place "gay" also 🤔
At first I thought it may be some kind of prudery, but now I'm not so sure.

VMisaMarshmallow · 13/12/2019 09:05

It was women’s studies when I was at uni. I’m not the youngest but it wasn’t that long ago either ....

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/12/2019 10:03

someone on the radio referred to a Gender Studies course, and it struck me that Sex Studies may be a step too far. Can we keep 'gender' for that and languages

If what is being studied is the expectations of behaviours society places on the sexes and the impacts thereof, then Gender Studies is appropriate. Presumably Sex Studies would be...Biology?

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