Anyone watching GMB?

[TheNameGames]

Sal Brinton from Lib Dem’s being grilled on Good Morning Britain by Piers Morgan just now. Stuttering and uhhming and ahhing as much as Jo. A lot of deflecting and silence. Piers bringing up a lot of points raised on this board.

“Why aren’t you standing up for women”? He asked.

I'm.exhausted just reading it.

Surely people are finally watching and realising that this ideology means that even answering a simple question is impossible without sounding ridiculous

To accompany PencilsInSpace's fine effort:

Starts at 5 minutes 15 seconds

Beaten to it, and with a timestamp too!

you've got to do risk assessments.

Who is supposed to be doing all these risk assessments?

This is every bit as bat shit crazy as anything Farage has said about Brexit.

Does she not also realise that one of the people responsible for the policy in Scottish prisons has also been found to have thousands of images on his computers. So who risk assess the risk assessors

Real life footage of risk assessment.

Thanks Pencils, nauticant and NameGames.

I’m with you Pencils. To me, he’s haranguing her on the wrong point. How many “genders” might be a symptom of the ridiculousness here, but it wasn’t one of Sal’s points, so attacking her on that is pointless.

”the reason this has exploded is because trans women, in particular, have not had their rights respected”

This is a better point to pick up. Which rights of “transwomen” have not been respected? They’ve been given almost everything demanded, despite some of those things being against international human rights law.

The reason this has exploded is because women’s rights have been removed with no discussion whatsoever about how it will affect us.

And prisons don't do a risk assessment to see whether a man with a GRC (making him legally female) goes to a women's prison. It's automatic.

The new prison policy for the UK (came into force on 31 October) states that "all individuals who are transgender must be initially allocated to part of the estate which matches their legally recognised gender".

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/825621/transgender-pf.pdf

Both the Lib Dems and Labour want to bring in self ID for a GRC (it's in both their manifestos), which means that any man could become legally female and would automatically be sent to a women's prison if he commits a crime.

any man could become legally female and would automatically be sent to a women's prison if he commits a crime.

And why would any sexual predator NOT choose to do so before going out to commit a crime that might land him in prison?

Who is supposed to be doing all these risk assessments?

Women. Every time they step outside the front door or wish to access any services. Or if they are in prison or secure ward, every single second of the day.

I would quite like to see the LibDems be forever to deny womanhood, aka:

"Woman is defined as an adult human female by every dictionary going. Why do you dispute that and include men - who have their own definition"

Sal Brinton was the one who said she’d be happy to see an all-male Parliament if half of them identified as female.

At a Fawcett Society / 50-50 Parliament meeting, no less.

'Risk assessment', even if it were 100% effective, would still not be enough.

We have rights beyond just not being actually raped or hit.

The EA says we have the right not to have our dignity violated. It says that service providers are prohibited from creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for us, based on the PC of sex.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

The single sex exceptions are there precisely to prevent this happening.

Exactly pencils

Single sex is part of the risk assessment. You cant keep removing parts of the procedure cos its phobic

And how can you even declare someone safe and rehabilitated when they have never been exposed to that situation.

Of course a man in mens prisons may not he sexual predator but that's because he's not around other women.they cant know how hed react.

Thanks pencils

"trans women in particular have been absolutely demonised and vilified by a small group of feminist women."

Yes women, shut up about your rights. They don't count.

Clearly there's no males involved in this debate at all

Is Brinton a TW?

Thanks for the transcriptions and clip.

We need some 'taboos' to be broken down for the public because those same old get out of jail cards are being used to obfuscate the public.

What is a transwoman?
Emphasise that this is not a natal woman who wants to present as a man.

Articulate that 9/10 tw retain male genitalia. Why?

Look at the trans umbrella. It includes AGPs.

What is a difficult transition/long journey?
Look at Philip Bunce, Jess Bradley, Gregor Fisher Murray, Edward Lord, Karen White, Lily Madigan, that Alex person with the beard etc.

What long journey did Jess Bradley go on?

What is the GRA and what do our parties want to happen?
Explain current single sex exeptions DO apply.
Look at what could happen beyond the toilet debate: NHS wards, intimate care for elderly mothers, sex based rights at work, refuges, the military forces, women married to tw who seek a divorce.

Talk about the little girl at Morrisons, Karen White's victims.

Talk about Mermaids, Gendered Intelligence, Stonewall, Tavi.

Remind the public about PIE.

Fuck me, it's going to be a long show and we are only just scratching the surface...

It makes no odds whether the male's been risk assessed or proven by assessment to be Saint Bloody Peter. Women have the right to get undressed without a male present, they're humans entitled to privacy and dignity, which is why we have male and female segregation in the first place. The question is why this idiot thinks women have no entitlement to that privacy or any space away from males under any circumstances.

The basic risk assessment failures and inevitable fuck ups are a whole other story.

The issue is women don't want males in single sex spaces. How that male sees themselves is irrelevant. How safe someone else has decided that male is for those women is irrelevant. Women are actually not the subrace put solely on this earth to provide supportive experiences for the master race. However sad and distressed and oppressed that master race happen to feel.

If the issue is oppression amongst males, third spaces. Go sort that out. But the issue is forcing the right of males to colonise womanhood. This woman like all the libdems hasn't the guts to be honest about what they are facilitating.

Single sex is part of the risk assessment.

It is, but this goes beyond risk assessment altogether. The EA doesn't really say anything about risk assessment. It's about discrimination and other prohibited conduct, as well as duties that organisations, especially the public sector, must meet.

A male could be utterly lovely, gentle as a dove, completely respectful, have never hurt a fly in his life. He could pose absolutely no risk to women at all.

Nevertheless, I don't want to get undressed in front of him or have him get undressed in front of me. I don't want to share a shower, prison cell, hospital ward etc. with this thoroughly harmless man.

Because that would violate my dignity. That would create an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for me.

And that's the definition of harassment in the EA and it's prohibited conduct by the organisation which puts those arrangements in place.

Does any one actually know if any transmen have been placed in mens prisons?

No risk assessments will be done for men who have gained a GRC, because these men are actually women as far as the law is concerned.

The GRA changes people's sex.

Where a full gender recognition certificate is issued to a person, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender (so that, if the acquired gender is the male gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a man and, if it is the female gender, the person’s sex becomes that of a woman).

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/9

The EA2010 requires organisations to treat a man with a GRC (who is legally a woman) the same as any woman, unless there is good reason not to (proportionate/legitimate clause). The default is that the single-sex exemptions are for all people classed as women under the law.

Single-sex exemptions in the EA2010 cannot co-exist with self ID of gender in the GRA.

Sarah

This is the only case I'm aware of

theindependent.sg/mens-or-womens-prison-a-dilemma-for-transgender-criminals-who-are-still-transitioning/

Conversley, there are many reported cases of transwomen being housed in the female estate.