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Ben Shapiro interviews Madeleine Kearns about her recent National Review cover story about trans kids

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GrinitchSpinach · 28/11/2019 16:39

Good interview. They cover a lot of ground in twelve minutes.

Previous thread on Kearns' article here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749807-The-Tragedy-of-the-Trans-Child

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 28/11/2019 17:21

Excellent.

Chilling to hear the way single reports can be used be lobby groups to make such far reaching changes.

IfYouSaySoDear · 28/11/2019 19:11

It's also Ben Shapiro, and this is the hill on which I shall take my last stand if I have to.

Ben Shapiro is a woman-hating, racist, bigoted, homophobic twat. Anything he ever says or does that's not utterly odious falls fairly and squarely within the "stopped clock" category. He's also one of the most dishonest debaters you'll ever see and is pretty intellectually as well as morally bankrupt.

Ben Shapiro is not just an "uneasy bedfellow" in a political matter. He's about as rapey as you can get.

GrinitchSpinach · 28/11/2019 19:23

I am no fan of Shapiro, but if I hold my breath until NPR interviews Kearns I will die of asphyxiation.

In this particular interview, Shapiro asks pertinent questions and gives no evidence of rapiness that I can detect. I think it's worth watching, especially in the North American context, where mainstream media is still EXTREMELY shy to publish anything that hints there might be a problem here with, say, the NIH study funding experimentation on children.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/11/2019 19:26

Even when we disagree on many important points there are surely some where most reasonable people can agree.

Ben Shapiro interviews Madeleine Kearns about her recent National Review cover story about trans kids
breakfastpizza · 28/11/2019 19:37

@IfYouSaySoDear Ditto.

birdsdestiny · 28/11/2019 19:40

Is he sterilising or promoting the sterilisation of autistic children. Because thats the hill I will die on.

uklib · 28/11/2019 22:54

Rapey? IIRC he's only ever had sex with one woman, his wife and only once they were married.

By all means, call him ultra conservative, anti abortion etc but rapey?

SonEtLumiere · 28/11/2019 22:59

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Redshoeblueshoe · 28/11/2019 23:01

Gaspode Grin

MrGHardy · 29/11/2019 02:10

This attitude is exactly what drives polarization, if you don't even agree on the things you agree on, because you disagree on other things.

merrymouse · 29/11/2019 08:00

This attitude is exactly what drives polarization, if you don't even agree on the things you agree on, because you disagree on other things.

I don't think there is agreement with feminists on this issue.

Both TRAs and Ben Shapiro want people to stay in a rigid gender box. Neither group believe in sex based rights. The only difference is that Ben Shapiro doesn't believe in sex based rights and wants gender to be linked to sex. TRAs don't believe in sex based rights but don't want gender to be linked to sex.

merrymouse · 29/11/2019 08:10

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/may/11/us-pundit-ben-shapiro-apologises-bbc-andrew-neil-interview

Ben Shapiro does not criticise proposed legislation that would hold women criminally responsible for a miscarriage, and instead talks about 'brutal' late term abortions. This is not somebody who cares about women's rights.

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2019 09:04

Who does merry mouse? The bbc the guardian are all supportive of an attack on women and children.

merrymouse · 29/11/2019 09:24

Ben Shapiro is using this as a way to 'own the libs'.

Neither Emily Maitlis on Newsnight nor Hadley Freeman at the Guardian are supportive of attacks on women or children.

The BBC may have faults, but it is not the same as Ben Shapiro.

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2019 10:13

Absolute naivety I am afraid. A belief that there are goodies and baddies. The goodies are supporting the sterilisation of children.

Floisme · 29/11/2019 10:17

I have to admit I don't know much about Ben Shapiro. What I do know is that, if it were my child who wanted to transition, I would talk to anyone who would listen.

Bridgebuilder76 · 29/11/2019 11:38

That awkward moment you realise that you're hand in hand with the far right. 🤣

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2019 12:32

That ackward moment when you realise you are supporting experimental medicine on children.

GrinitchSpinach · 29/11/2019 15:56

When I studied history at university, it was standard practice to look at a variety of sources and evaluate each one critically. This contemporary idea of declaring some people or publications "good" and consuming their output uncritically, while refusing to read or watch the people or publications deemed "bad" is so bizarre to me.

Anyway, the interviewee here is Madeleine Kearns, not Shapiro. She gets a lot of important detail across in a short time.

Kat, I agree it is stunning and distressing how a few well-placed ideologues have managed, without evidence to back their conclusions, to change official stances for massive professional organizations.

I had read parts of what Kearns addresses in this article and interview before, but I believe this is the first article in an American publication to really pull it all together. She also adds some new (to me at least) information, such as that several families across the country in situations similar to the James Younger custody/pediatric transing case have contacted her, and that many of them are under gag orders from courts.

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