I thought you needed a GRC to change the sex recorded on a passport

[PassingIntoTheWest]

But apparently you just need a letter from your GP...?:
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I'm pretty sure you don't need any kind of surgery to obtain a GRC; but you do have to show that you intend to 'live as a woman/man'... Whatever that means.

I am still astounded that trans people are allowed to change the sex marker on their BC. What kind of logic is that?! I have yet to come across a good argument for it. It should never have been allowed. What were the fuckwits in the government thinking?

I can understand attaching supplementary information to a BC - to show adoption, listing gay/lesbian parents, legal change of gender etc. There aren't that many situations where a BC needs to be referenced, and the information on it should be viewed as sensitive / private if needed, but no one should be allowed to alter or erase the basic details.

Just don’t understand why gender/identity is so important as information to be collected - but sex isn’t.

I’m cynical. I suspect there came a time (or some bright spark realised there would come a time) when the demands for men to have women’s rights would prompt calls for trans status to be recorded alongside sex by the police. And suspecting that would almost certainly prove what many of us believe (that MtF transitioners offend in much the same pattern as all men) they prevented it from being recorded and set in train a bit of preemptive confusion.

I also agree with Nonny. The demand for privilege (rather than rights) is exactly what causes me to resent this ideology (not trans people personally, obviously). But others will resent them personally. Look how resentful men are of women, simply because of the few additional rights that are an attempt for us to obtain equity.

This is horrifying. I truly feel like I'm living in 1984.

the demand for privilege

That’s exactly what this is. Nothing to do with “trans rights” or anti-discrimination.

You seem somewhat surprised that trans people can change everything but their BC so easily.

BC changes also used to be self ID before April Ashley’s husband got a divorce on the grounds April was born a man.

Anyone could simply go to their registry office where their birth was registered and ask for it to be amended.

The government was taken to to European Courts in the 90s because we were unable to make these changes, where they unsuccessfully argued that as all common forms of ID can be easily changed, the BC did not need to. This led to the GRA in 2004.

The trans community, and indeed most politicians have been telling you for the past two years the UK operates on a self ID basis and has done so pretty much forever.

And, as a side note, change of documentation like your driving license, bank details etc. are used as proof of having made meaningful changes by the GICs prior to being put on the care pathway. Usually before a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is made.

And on the referral process to a GIC, whilst I think about it, that’s a case of telling your GP and asking for a referral. No medical tests or assessments required.

Yet further examples of self ID.

BC changes also used to be self ID before April Ashley’s husband got a divorce on the grounds April was born a man.

Are you saying April Ashley was not upfront (to put it politely) about their biological sex with their partner and the only way he found out about this is because the BC showed April's birth sex was male?

It sounds like all forms of ID are merely a form of vanity if they can be changed on people's whims. So why have the sex marker at all? What purpose does it serve other than decorative if it has no bearing on anything factual?

Nonny he knew about it but April Ashley refused to agree to a divorce so he sought to have it annulled on the basis that she was not a biological woman instead and he succeeded. It seems that some birth certificates were altered on request before that case but I wouldn’t have thought it was particularly common.

Thanks for clarifying that RealityNotEssentialism.

So if April Ashley had been able to manipulate the BC to show female instead of male, then they could have continued to refuse a divorce and keep their partner trapped in marriage to them for as long as legally possible... Sounds like lovely person.

Still .... As I've said in another thread, no real good comes from all this deception, hiding and obscuring truth and facts.

It's the political leaders that have to be held accountable for the mess they have landed all of us into because they couldn't be bothered to think of a more robust solution such as legal recognition of a third gender for trans people.

Yep thats the crux of it. A GRC is only to enable a trans woman to change their birth certificate.

Every thing else can be changed without one. It's always been that way.