BBC news article on detransitioners

[CatInTheDaytime]

Finally after years of "isn't it great my dad's a woman" type articles the BBC has an article covering detransitioning with some rational voices from the medical profession and detransitioners.

here

I think this is an important step and that someone somewhere at the BBC is finally getting it..

This is so important. It is only because of the massive efforts of women that the BBC and Guardian have been shamed into remembering that they are news organisations and their role is not to promote the personal ideologies / wishes of some of their staff.

I think this article is great - I thought they really centered the voices of the women featured. I was particularly pleased that they mentioned that sexism and abuse made it hard for them and promoted their initial motivation to transition. It had a context that really explained things.

Debbie also appeared on the excellent newsnight slot which I have just watched.

Discussed here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3753152-Newsnight-now

Can be viewed here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3753152-Newsnight-now from about 13mins in.

Sorry, flubbed link

Newsnight, 25/11/2019: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3 via @bbciplayer

" I think this is an important step and that someone somewhere at the BBC is finally getting it"

I thought that until they stuffed in a quote from Mermaids.

What would be interesring if they used stories from the transwidows thread, that side never gets exposure.

Gah the gender assigned at birth words make me want to scream!

I'm so glad this line is in by Thain.

Really really important line.

"It wasn't until I discovered a community who were affirming to gender nonconforming people, which is the radical feminist community, that I really made the decision to stop,"

What would be interesring if they used stories from the transwidows thread, that side never gets exposure.

Yes absolutely.

And so much ❤️ to Debbie.

I thought that until they stuffed in a quote from Mermaids.

I know, but it is journalistic practice to include a counter-argument, and I thought it was interesting that the Mermaids comments was actually pretty tame - because there is no reasonable comeback to the fact that many people are detransitioning. "You can't make someone be trans" is exactly the point - lots of people are being made to think they must be a sex they are not as an answer to their unhappiness or different-ness, because of fashion, zeitgeist and the desperation to be woke being reflected in the media and in policies. But that doesn't mean they *are" a different sex.

Gah the gender assigned at birth words make me want to scream!
Me too.

It's not perfect, but it still reads like a huge cognitive leap.

Read this morning. Good coverage on main news front page. 👍🏻

It wasn't until I discovered a community who were affirming to gender nonconforming people, which is the radical feminist community, that I really made the decision to stop

I agree this is so important - but I'm also amazed it's so obscure and non-obvious to people in general. Loads of people are gender non-conforming - most of us probably, in that most people don't 100% adhere to to a very strict idealised masculine or feminine stereotype. In itself that's barely possible anyway, as gender stereotypes change and evolve. And back in the 80s famous people were gender non-conforming in a big way all over the place, with no question over their sex at all. How can it have changed to much that it's hard for people to see that not being on board with the gender stereotype for your sex doesn't mean you're not that sex!?