Why are so many LibDems homophobic?

[Thefatfeminist]

Tim Farrons record speaks for itself

Jo Swinson talking about violence about violence by lesbian partners being a problem (when she had been asked about admitting transwomen into women's refuges

Ben Matthias for Hackney & Stoke Newington (@forwardnotbacks twitter thread on him is worth a read don't know how to link sorry)

Kevin McNamama in Essex

I'm not sure the Lib Dems are consistent on anything apart from Gender Self ID. . So many assorted bods in the Lib-Dems these days.

It’s a good question. Farron’s homophobia stemmed from his religious beliefs but I don’t think Swinson has that excuse (unless you see gender ideology as a religious belief).

Tim Farrons record speaks for itself

I googled and had a look at wiki, but his record is confusing. Why did he resign in the end, and what was concerns of the impact the "spousal veto" could have on trans people about?

Because they have been captured by a small bullying anti-women group pursuing a misogynistic agenda with no care for women or the safeguarding of children.
This group have relentlessly bullied, doxxed and threatened anyone who dares ask questions or challenge any aspect of their cult to the extent that decent human beings now parrot their mantra TWAW with increasing fervour.
It's watching the consequences of #nodebate in real life.

The Lib Dem’s have always been a part of assorted weirdos (plus plenty of perverts). Small party, entrism etc

The Lib Dem’s have always been a part of assorted weirdos (plus plenty of perverts). Small party, entrism etc

Yes, Liberalism plays straight intiothe hands of those with 'niche' interests and pastimes.

straight into the hands

They also lost huge swathes of supporters and activists in the 2010 election, which made them more vulnerable to entryism. They had a lot of student support in 2005 which was instantly lost when they got in bed with the Tories and ended up tripling the tuition fees they promised to abolish. Maybe trans rights is seen as a way to claw that back?

Tim Farron seems to have been well into the ideology for the 2013 same sex marriage act and there seems to have been some problem with using that act to take out the 'spousal veto' which TF seems to have supported.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jennie-rigg/tim-farron-lgbt-record_b_16095906.html

BeardedVulture - The coalition was 2010-2015. Did they lose student support before then?

Because "liberal" in the UK political party context means "individual rights" not, as in the US context "left of centre".

Has anyone alerted the LGB Alliance to Swinson's overt display of homophobia at the weekend yet?

I'm losing track of the male Lib Dem PPC who are being shown up on Twitter for making vile, misogynistic tweets about women. All of them are also fiercely TWAW. It's almost like they know which humans to call bitches, slags and sluts.

The Lib Dem’s have always been a part of assorted weirdos (plus plenty of perverts). Small party, entrism etc
This is so true. My late DM was a Liberal (then LibDem) activist from 1960s onwards. She always bemoaned the fact it attracted oddballs, and they weren't discouraged by the party, because they were always keen to get more members.

Jo Swinson said what?! Do you have a link to any quotes/articles?

Ovahere "it's almost like they know which humans to call bitches, slags and sluts"

So true

Worth noting the way they trans the wives of lesbians straight without their knowledge or consent via plans to scrap GRA spousal veto. Overnight women can go from being in a lesbian marriage with a woman to a straight marriage with a man. That's one way to tackle homophobia eh? makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/trans-widows-and-the-spousal-veto-a-modern-fable-of-male-entitlement

Melroses

Massive fucking facepalm 🤦🏻‍♀️, I got the dates mixed up of the coalition government. That’s what happens when you have eleventy billion elections and referendums in a relatively short period of time!

That Ben Matthias story is www.hackneycitizen.co.uk/2019/11/24/hackney-north-lib-dem-candidate-dropped-clearly-offensive-tweets/

I live in this constituency and was weighing up voting LD for remain reasons - would have been so hard to tick the box knowing their self ID position. But this guy and Jo Swindon's lesbian/DV refuge shite yesterday made up my mind. I just can't.

So now officially I have no one to vote for.

Jo Swinson's offensive remarks were made on the Marr Show yesterday.

twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1198569343606566913?s=20

Here at 52 mins aprox @joswinson compares a lesbian entering a women's refuge as a risk comparable with someone who is biologically male. I'm not sure she grasps why women need the Equality Act. Janice Turner of The Times on Twitter.

I don't think it's correct to say that they lost huge swathes of support in the 2010 election?
In my constituency that year reduced an average Tory majority of ca. 15000 to just 5000. It was that coalition that did for them but IMO they were at the peak of their popularity for the 2010 vote.

Sorry, my post is as clear as mud. Wish MN had an edit function.

To try to clarify, my constituency is an extremely safe Conservative seat. In most elections their majority is around 15000.
In 2010 their majority was reduced, by a very strong Lib Dem performance, to 5000.

Tim Farron isn't homophobic.

He like many others voted down early proposals for same sex marriage because they felt they didn't go far enough, not because they didn't agree with the concept.

It's like accusing Jacob Rees Mogg of being a remainer because he's voted down some Brexit deals.

This is the problem of snapshot/soundbite politics and an over reliance on They Work For You without being able to exercise critical thinking.

He may have his own brand of liberal Christianity but its perfectly possible to state what the bible says about gay people and not actually hate gay people yourself. Surely that's the very basis of liberalism?

The Lib Dem's DO have a massive problem with understanding that liberalism applies to everyone and not just they people they feel worthy and have been regulatory captured by.

They DO have massive issues with critical thinking.

They DO have massive issues with their attitudes to women.

I don't think JS is intentionally homophobic though. Just a bit thick.

My memory of recent LibDem performance is:
1997: Labour win election, LibDems nowhere - repeated in 2001 and 2005
Blair resigns, Brown becomes PM, worldwide economic crash, Labour popularity plummets
Run up to 2010 election: sudden huge resurgence of LibDems under Nick Clegg, big increase in seats won
No overall majority for Labour, ditto for Tories - Clegg inexplicably declines to go into coalition with Labour and throws in his lot with Tories - austerity, tuition fees tripled etc etc
2015 and 2017 elections - LibDems do disastrously

Is that accurate?

Jo Swinson is a liability. Julie Bindel made me laugh today on Twitter. She said If Swinson had any fewer brain cells she'd have 2 b watered twice a day.

I understand that the LibDems did try to negotiate a coalition with Labour but didn't succeed, the main point being no voting reform discussion.

Jo Swinson is a liability. Julie Bindel made me laugh today on Twitter. She said If Swinson had any fewer brain cells she'd have 2 b watered twice a day.

Great description.
It really annoys me that she has appropriated the phrase girlyswot, she is so ungirlyswotlike.

It's Lady Hale's.