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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Article: "Has trans activism gone too far?"

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 22/11/2019 11:17

Thoughtful and clear opinion piece by Douglas Murray on unherd.com, with reference to the damage being wrought on women's rights.

Closing para:
"Of course YouTube, Facebook and other social media platforms will continue to try to censor this discussion and stop parents, women, gay men and many others from discussing the issues. But they are attempting to close an un-closeable door. An overdue and properly nuanced discussion is surely now impossible to stop."

unherd.com/2019/11/has-trans-activism-gone-too-far

And accompanying twitter thread: twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1197815197181853696

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/11/2019 11:22

It's like someone said "let there be light", and all of a sudden there was.

Well, except at the BBC, they still seem to be determined to maintain the media equivalent of an eclipse.

LangCleg · 22/11/2019 11:46

Well, except at the BBC, they still seem to be determined to maintain the media equivalent of an eclipse.

In ten years' time, they'll do a Panorama on it and make out it's a scoop.

koshkat · 22/11/2019 11:48

His intelligent opinions will be rubbished because he is right wing and thus must be a fascist and exterminated etc etc. Just like GC women are treated.

AryaStarkWolf · 22/11/2019 11:58

Great article, hopefully the tide is turning

LassOfGritandIron · 22/11/2019 12:16

I've been thinking a lot about what all this actually is, and I've come to the conclusion that what we are actually seeing, on a meta level, is that point of dislocation when a new technology, or a new technological advancement, enables people to change their behaviour, but society has not yet recognised the implications of that change in behaviour so cannot adequately police nor respond to it appropriately.

When people change their behaviour, and society has not yet realised the implications of that change in behaviour, then the dislocation creates a space that intersects with both the public and civic realms, yet is unpoliced or policed badly.

Fundamentally, this is what is happening now with the internet, digital communications and social media. A new public space has been created, yet is unpoliced or subject to policing guidelines that do not make sense within the territory (in this case, virtual), and society reacts to that space by employing historic attitudes that are misappropriate.

When it comes to the issue of gender ideology, I suspect we are largely in this situation because government and institutions treat the digital realm (particularly, twitter) as one giant focus group. They see twitter in particular as a "modern" version of their postbag or ward forum/constituency surgery, and assume that these policies are what their constituents and service users demand.

Added to this is that they cannot adequately identify the "green inkers" on digital media.

The only way to resolve this is to adapt and create policies that make sense within this new landscape. And that means changing law and policy.

Overall, the current law suits over gender ideology were inevitable. Institutions will have to shift and adapt, as well government. But for many people negatively affected by gender ideology, it will probably all come too late.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 22/11/2019 12:37

There seems to be a lonely dissenting voice on the twitter thread, maybe some kind MNers can help him out of his confusion, by providing some cold hard facts?

twitter.com/WisdomVoid/status/1197822367860441089

Article: "Has trans activism gone too far?"
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MockersFactCheckMN · 22/11/2019 12:50

Douglas Murray on Daily Politics now. Other guest says 'Half of Trans-Students have attempted suicide.'

MockersFactCheckMN · 22/11/2019 12:51

....Holly Rigby - Labour

BovaryX · 22/11/2019 13:09

He’s really interesting on the way in which the promotion of trans rights inevitably conflicts with women’s rights and gay rights. He’s scathing about intersectionality

Galvantula · 22/11/2019 13:53

Done. Mr No Nothing apologised for being a clueless fucker 🙄

Galvantula · 22/11/2019 13:53

Know nothing. Duh.

Galvantula · 22/11/2019 13:54

I think he got a few responses Buzz 😁

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 22/11/2019 14:14

Nice work!

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Ummmmcake · 22/11/2019 16:55

that Chu sounds really, really mentally ill.

MidnightCircus · 22/11/2019 17:34

ummmcake I agree, plus being female means being a vessel for another's desires? Pretty sure that a fleshlight, not a female. Bloody screwed-up thinking

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