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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A question...

6 replies

Gatehouse77 · 21/11/2019 17:21

...that I've been pondering for a while. I do not include transexuals in this question as I (personally) see that as a different category.

If women have, over time, fought for the right to wear trousers, have short hair, etc. (i.e. dress like 'men') and still managed to stay in 'women' spaces then why aren't the men who want dress like a woman fighting to be accepted in their 'male' spaces?

It's perfectly acceptable for women to be 'tom-boys' among women so why don't they push to be accepted amongst men?

Some of it, I guess, is down to education (in the broadest sense meaning beyond school) but it seems that sex and gender are all too often conflated. I am a female but I am not feminine. Never have been. I'm not comfortable in dresses, etc. and I can choose not to wear them thanks to the fight women before me had. (And I do appreciate that I am fortunate in that sense). Why aren't the males that aren't masculine comfortable in their community - look at that, surely?

I am not trying to be antagonistic and have tried to word my post carefully. I am not talking about individual cases but the 'movement' as a whole. Apologies if I've made any faux pas or am open to misinterpretation.

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OllyBJolly · 21/11/2019 17:26

It's an interesting point.

There is the TW who says by keeping a beard while wearing dresses and lipstick that he is "redefining what it means to be a woman".

When we were allowed to wear trousers to school for the first time we didn't think for a second that we were redefining men. We thought we'd won a battle for girls!

Surely said TW is widening the horizons of what it means to be a man?

HarrietTheFly · 21/11/2019 17:41

After reading some stories from lesbian detransitioners I have been wondering just how acceptable it is in certain circles to be a "tomboy" nowadays. My daughter would probably qualify as a tomboy, she's 5 and so far it has not been an issue but I don't know what the situation is like for older children and teenagers.

MIdgebabe · 21/11/2019 18:04

Many women supported other women in challenging dress rules. Men tend to pillory men who dress unconventionally.?

Michelleoftheresistance · 21/11/2019 18:13

Look for the article and the MN thread about it "the elephant in the room". It's interesting reading and helpful in considering this question.

Michelleoftheresistance · 21/11/2019 18:17

Found it: medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 21/11/2019 18:19

Men with long hair, make up, who dress in a flamboyant manner etc are accepted in men's spaces.

None of this is about acceptance. It's about trashing the boundaries of others.

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