Labour promises to keep single-sex exemptions

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From the manifesto:

labour.org.uk/manifesto/tackle-poverty-and-inequality/

"Ensure that the single-sex-based exemptions contained in the Equality Act 2010 are understood and fully enforced in service provision."

This is quite something.

I was just coming here to post this. I am very surprised!

The full LGBT bit:

"LGBT+ Equality
Labour has a proud history of standing shoulder to shoulder with LGBT+ people. We abolished Section 28, equalised the age of consent, created civil partnerships, and only with Labour votes could equal marriage become law. Labour is committed to reforming the Gender Recognition Act 2004 to introduce self-declaration for transgender people, but we are not complacent about the culture shift required to make LGBT+ inclusivity a reality. The Conservatives have been slow to understand the scale of abuse and discrimination LGBT+ people continue to face in our society. Labour will eliminate remaining areas of discrimination in law, ensuring that LGBT+ people can live in safety and dignity.
We will:
• Put LGBT+ equality at the heart of government, ensuring our public services are LGBT+ inclusive and delivering on the national LGBT Action Plan.
• Take steps to safeguard LGBT+ rights inside or outside the EU, such as retaining and promoting the Human Rights Act.
• Tackle the homelessness and rough sleeping crisis in the UK, ensuring that all strategies and services are tailored to understand needs unique to LGBT+ homeless people, particularly young people who make up a disproportionate number of our currently homeless people.
• Provide sufficient funding for schools to deliver mandatory LGBT+ inclusive relationships and sex education.
• Fully fund sexual health services and roll out PrEP medication.
• Respond fast and firmly wherever LGBT+ people face violence or persecution internationally and appoint a dedicated global ambassador to the Foreign Office on LGBT+ issues. Labour will work with organisations and charities already making the UK a more equal and fairer society and together we will build a country for the many,
not the few."

labour.org.uk/manifesto/

pp. 68-69

That all depends on what happens with the GRA reforms that are also in the manifesto.

But it also then says: "Labour is committed to reforming the Gender Recognition Act 2004 to introduce self-declaration for transgender people". If they bring in self-ID and any bloke can legally become 'female' then the single-sex exemptions in the Eq Act are unenforceable. Aren't they?

That sounds like something. Question, if the GRA is reformed will single sex exemptions still mean what we want them to mean?

X post!

Definitely needs clarification. They may be trying to please everyone and end up pleasing nobody. Or it may be a case of 'this should shut up the troublesome women'.

I don't trust any politicians on this at the moment.

I find myself wondering if they actually mean what they're saying.

We need Fair Play for Women and / or lawyers (not the Stonewall's Law kind!) to give us the lowdown on what this manifesto pledge (to introduce self-ID but enforce single sex exemptions) would mean for single-sex spaces and services. Are they enforceable. Won't every 'offended' blue haired bloke (who now has a self-declared Gender Recognition Certificate) in the country scream 'discrimination' every time the single-sex exemptions are applied?

Why do they need to centre LGBT+ people in everything they do? Why don't they just centre 'people'?

I'm not LGBT so therefore my needs will always be secondary. That's what I take from this.

Mealy mouthed bullshit.

I wouldn't trust them any more than I would a pit of angry snakes.

The two aims are totally incompatible...it would be interesting to hear how they square them.

I'll believe they intend to enforce single sex exemptions when I see senior Labour politicians all over Twitter stating their party will make single sex, as determined at conception and observed at birth, spaces a compulsory legal requirement in situations where people are vulnerable due to being in a state of undress a state of unconsciousness or where physical contact is involved.

And when they are questioned by trans privilege activists as to whether this means transwomen will be banned from the ladies they answer unequivocally 'Yes. Transwomen are not female and will be banned from women's spaces'.

Bet I don't see any such thing. They haven't even apologised to Linda Bellos yet.

Pleased to see no mention of the Spousal "veto".

"I don't trust any politicians on this at the moment."

I don't trust politicians, end of!

"I'm not LGBT so therefore my needs will always be secondary. That's what I take from this."

Yes, that is how I view it. The rights of the overwhelming majority will play second fiddle to tiny minorities.

And the tiny minorities deserve inclusion and protection but not at the expense of the overwhelming majority.

People are right to say that reform of the GRC to allow self-ID AND protecting single-sex exemptions are incompatible. It feels to me like they're trying to please both sides. Obviously TRAs have been campaigning for self-ID and feminists within the Labour Party have been lobbying very hard for the single-sex exemptions.

So if they get into power (a big if) they are going to have to square that particular circle. It could be that they reform the GRA to allow people to self-identify without the supposedly burdensome bureaucracy that currently exists - but that once people have a GRC it doesn't entitle them to use single-sex services.

To be honest it reads to me as if they are trying to fob off the uppity women.

There needs to be a much clearer statement making it clear that single sex means gender identity will be ignored in situations x, y, z and it needs to be repeated by all senior party members to make clear what the policy is and that they won't be swayed from it by woke bullies.

Ensure that the single-sex-based exemptions contained in the Equality Act 2010 are understood and fully enforced in service provision.

Whilst actively pushing for self ID? They clearly don't 'understand' do they?

Labour will put women at the heart of our government

So who's that then? Apparently everyone who feels like it.

A total load of meaningless nonsense, I hope the cookies are worth it Corbyn. 👏👏

I find myself wondering if they actually mean what they're saying
Same
As for GRA ammendment plus upholding single sex cant see how they can do both. Will be emailing my local candidates

What I posted on the other thread:

The manifesto is with regard to single sex exemptions in EqA. They're saying they'll make it easier to get a GRC but tighten up the limitations to the entitlements the GRC affords - so protecting refuges, rape crisis services, etc.

This is likely an outcome of the Parliamentary Committee that we spoke about at length here and lobbying by WPUK.

It's much better than I thought it would be - they're not in full denial like the LibDems and the Greens - but I would need much more detail on how they plan to extend, make robust, and enforce application of EqA's single sex exemptions before I put a cross anywhere near a Labour candidate on my ballot paper.

It means absolutely nothing if they refuse to recognise accurate definitions of WOMAN and FEMALE.

They are trying to gaslight everyone who cares about honesty, respect and simple human rights.

How can single-sex exemptions be enforced when any individual can change "sex" on their identification documents at will? Right now anyone can their passport with a doctor's letter. Self-ID would mean even birth certificate (which is not used in practice as a means of identification anyway) can be changed at will.

So in a hypothetical example, if an obviously male person shows up to a female-only service like women's refuge, how can the staff deny him entry when he has official documentation stating that he's a woman? They can hardly do a DNA test at the door.

They clearly don't 'understand' do they?

They do understand.

They want to make self-ID for daily life but to avoid forcing women to wax balls or letting dodgy blokes man rape crisis lines, or penises in shelters.

Whether or not that's enough to make feminists hold their noses and vote for them remains to be seen.

It's not enough for me.