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Ex-Tavistock doctor Marcus Evans' letter to The Times

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BitOfFun · 17/11/2019 10:39

Letters to the Editor: Trans clinic is failing vulnerable children

[email protected] 17 2019, 12:01am,
The Sunday Times

Your article “Sex-change sorrow” (News Review, last week) highlighted the Tavistock Centre, England’s only clinic devoted to treating transgender children. I am the governor who resigned from the Tavistock board after Dr David Bell wrote a report containing staff concerns about the rush to medical intervention, which bypassed thorough psychological evaluation.

I did so because I believed the trust tried to bury these important concerns about an experimental treatment of vulnerable children. It also displayed its prejudice by trying to discredit Dr Bell, a respected clinician, and the staff he spoke to.

The treatment of gender- dysphoric children has become highly politicised and, in many ways, operates outside good medical practice. There is pressure to view patients as consumers who have a choice over their gender, rather than people with underlying conflicts about themselves and their relationship with society.

The Tavistock Centre is England’s only clinic devoted to treating transgender children
The Tavistock Centre is England’s only clinic devoted to treating transgender childrenALAMY
In the absence of long-term outcome studies, services often quote Dutch research that found positive results for transition, ignoring the small size of the cohort. Ten other studies show that 80%-90% of gender-dysphoric children desist in their wish for social or medical transition if given psychological support.

We do not know why there has been such a rapid rise in late-onset gender dysphoria in girls in the past five years, and we show little interest in the damage done by treatment. When I was governor, the Tavistock was not following up children it had seen, and yet we are carrying on as if we know what we are doing.

The mental health services will look back at this episode as another dark chapter in the treatment of people with psychological difficulties.

Marcus Evans, psychoanalyst, former deputy clinical director in adolescent and adult clinical services at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust

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Voice0fReason · 17/11/2019 22:28

We are right and we are right to continue fighting this travesty.
What is happening to our children is criminal.

Uncompromisingwoman · 17/11/2019 22:35

Yes VoiceofReason . There is no right side involved in the unethical medical treatment of children before they are competent to consent. Not now - not ever.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 18/11/2019 00:46

Marcus Evans is a brave and principled man and I'm incredibly grateful to him for standing up for children and doing what is right.

We do not know why there has been such a rapid rise in late-onset gender dysphoria in girls in the past five years

Well, of course we don't know because any research is banned but I could make a good guess - online grooming, regulatory capture, schools teaching the ridiculous unscientific theory that you can change sex (which is factually just untrue), the relentless pressure on girls from boys and society. Porn. Sexual assault of girls in schools. Piss poor conviction rates for rape. VAWG etc etc etc. I wouldn't want to be a girl these days in the UK - who would?

GertiMJN · 18/11/2019 00:55

Thank you Marcus. You and others sharing your concerns have been treated appallingly.

What you are doing is incredibly brave and incredibly important.

Thank you.

Goosefoot · 18/11/2019 02:31

Well, of course we don't know because any research is banned but I could make a good guess

I think he was right not to speculate in his letter though. He stuck to hard facts, there is nothing there to argue with or to focus on to try and discredit the rest.

NeurotrashWarrior · 18/11/2019 09:13

It is a brilliant and damming letter.

Posting this thread here as there are many similarities to what this German clinician is saying. And duchess has done marvellous job of transcribing! 👏 ⭐️

Important interview (April 2019) with Dr. Alexander Korte, a German Child & Adolescent Psychiatrist. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3744951-Important-interview-April-2019-with-Dr-Alexander-Korte-a-German-Child-Adolescent-Psychiatrist

NeurotrashWarrior · 18/11/2019 09:16

I find the analysis that teen girls have to make more 'adaptations' than boys an interesting one and I wish he'd elaborated on it. Does he mean in a sexist world? Physically? Probably all of it, but it could do with spelling out and is an angle that could be useful to begin to point out wrt ROGD girls.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/11/2019 09:25

Well, that's pretty stark, isn't It? Thank you, Marcus. What a difficult position to find oneself in. Poor kids, poor families being so badly served by this ridiculous ideology.

Siameasy · 18/11/2019 09:34

I find the analysis that teen girls have to make more 'adaptations' than boys an interesting one and I wish he'd elaborated on it. Does he mean in a sexist world? Physically? Probably all of it, but it could do with spelling out and is an angle that could be useful to begin to point out wrt ROGD girls.

Yes I thought this. I felt it was because the changes girls undergo are more obvious and the minutes they start to change they are seen as available by men. I don’t mean just other boys their age but grown men.

NeurotrashWarrior · 18/11/2019 09:56

Yes I think it's that but also possibly cultural and social pressures too. I think that's when the gender stereotype for women really starts to hit. From media influences especially.

NeurotrashWarrior · 18/11/2019 09:57

seen as available by men

I think it's tied into this.

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