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Gender Identity ideology - New Religious Movement in formation?

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NonnyMouse1337 · 16/11/2019 09:45

I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and come from a cultural background where belief in some sort of god and religion is a part of nearly everyone's life. It doesn't even occur to most people that belief in god or religion is optional; they simply perpetuate and parrot whatever ideology they were raised with, even very clever individuals that I know who are doctors, scientists, etc. Religion and culture overlap greatly and people seem unable or unwilling to question things or don't see the point in upsetting the status quo.

Anyway my intense love for science, logic and understanding how things worked meant it was only a matter of time before my doubts about The Truth became too numerous and I had to admit it was a load of shite. I looked at other mainstream religions and saw the same characteristics and realised they were shite too. Eventually I had to admit I was an atheist.

However, I have retained a grim fascination for understanding religious beliefs, how religions and ideologies evolve, why do people believe in things that are demonstrably untrue or have no real evidence, how belief systems attract new followers and perpetuate itself etc.
I would have liked to maybe pursue this lifelong interest as some sort of academic research, but I don't think I am cut out to be a detached researcher in this topic. It generates a very visceral response in me of hate, disgust, anger and sadness due to my experiences with the Jehovah's Witnesses and my personal journey as a religious apostate.

Nevertheless I still ponder on these topics as an amateur. I find human behaviour frustratingly illogical but predominantly predictable and I have noticed certain common threads that run through ideologies and beliefs over time.
While I am just as fallible as anyone else and not immune to succumbing to any kind of ideology, I find my background as an apostate helps me stay a bit alert, a bit sensitive to certain words or phrases, a bit wary when I get a 'whiff of bullshit', feel my skin crawl or my spidey-sense starts tingling especially when everyone around me seems to be going along with something.

I plan on buying Eileen Barker's book on New Religious Movements to learn more, but in the meantime I can't help but view the current phenomenon around Gender Identity ideology as the birth and formation of a New Religious Movement.

Religious and faith movements have come and gone for millennia. Humans seem predisposed to grasping for order and sense in a chaotic world and find different routes for this purpose. It does appear, though, that the more chaotic and unstable the world, the more likely people are to turn to magical thinking and superstitious beliefs as a way of protecting themselves or distracting themselves from the reality they live in.
People who are happy, healthy and feel a sense of purpose and connection with their communities feel less inclined to jump onto bandwagons and movements.

While global standards of living have increased overall, the past 10 years or so has seen wealth inequalities increase in Western economies. The self-destructive political ideology of austerity and neoliberalism has meant that investment in public services has declined drastically as well as economic productivity. Extracting short term gain for the wealthy at the expense of our collective long-term future is the goal. Compared to previous generations, people are earning less, in less secure jobs with paltry pensions, unable to climb the housing ladder due to extremely inflated property prices and lack of social housing and so on.

While membership of organised religions are falling, people's desire for grasping onto beliefs in a chaotic world haven't decreased. The rise of 'woo' is a testament to this. As funding for physical and mental health provision has fallen, the rise in energy healing, crystal healing, the bizarre devotion for 'eastern philosophies' and so on is becoming popular to cater to people's physical aches and pains and mental health issues. Food fads and various ways to remove 'toxic' things internally and externally keep appearing. We have the looming threat of climate change on our doorstep, so it's easier for people to block it out and focus on selfies, cosmetic surgeries, fashions in the quest to unearth and celebrate 'who you really are'. Much easier to focus on the individual and the superficial because it's actually pretty difficult to face deep seated, collective problems.

Gender Identity ideology appears to me to be a way of blocking out collective problems and focusing on pointless individualistic issues that ultimately have no bearing on ourselves and our species. Pronoun 'crimes' are more devastating and infuriating than a lack of decent and affordable housing, for example.

Gender Identity ideology is fascinating because it is similar to many other types of NRMs but also has some differences due to rise in internet technology.

NRMs tend to appeal predominantly to relatively well educated and middle class young people. They are not burdened by the responsibilities of looking after young or old family members, so have the time to invest in these activities. Women seem especially susceptible to NRMs.

These ideologies don't necessarily have to have a religious or spiritual element. They can arise from all sorts of political, social and philosophical movements. The underlying structure is the same. People looking for meaning, purpose, community and unconditional acceptance (except these forms of acceptance are rarely unconditional).

Conventional NRMs have followers congregate in physical spaces, maybe a retreat or ashram, but due to the internet, you can now have online and networked social spaces as an easy substitute. A lot of young people spend considerable time online and Gender Identity ideology is known to have crystallised and evolved in spaces like Tumblr. They are least likely to read traditional news sources and instead rely on alternative media for their news and facts. Online algorithms tend to show you only things you are interested in and the ability to block and ban material you disagree with means you have generated a very effective bubble of groupthink without having to live in a spiritual retreat for months or years.

Gender Identity ideology is a fairly decentralised movement i.e. there is no single figurehead leading it, but there are several key players. Powerful organisations like Stonewall lobby and influence society outside of the movement by promoting materials with their doctrines. Self-styled gurus are popular amongst the adherents on YouTube and Instagram - these non-binary and trans superstars showing believers how amazing their lives are and your life could be awesome like theirs too.

This is a movement in its infancy so we are currently seeing the expansion / proselytising phase. They need sufficient first generation converts if they are to carry on as a movement. All NRMs have this aggressive proselytising phase as far as I'm aware. This is because although they quickly gain followers and admirers, NRMs by their nature have very high turnovers. Very few followers become hardcore, long-term believers. Most followers remain loosely associated on the fringes and many lose interest after a few years. The novelty of the doctrines wear off and they find other movements that catch their attention or find the pressures of life don't leave them with time for such indulgences, or they feel disillusionment with the community and acceptance they were promised.

It will be interesting to see if this NRM manages to evolve into the more longer-term and stable phase. The subsequent generations born into this ideology due to their parents being adherents, will be more likely to question and rebel.
What happens when a teenager raised to have unquestioning faith in gender identity challenges their parents upon learning about the immutability of biological sex or the lack of evidence of a gendered soul. Will they be kicked out of home for disagreeing and rebelling? I think so.

Interested to hear what others think about this.

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Freelancemomma · 11/12/2019 11:21

Brilliant thinking and writing. Bravo.

hipsterfun · 11/12/2019 13:28

Great thread!

Gender Identity ideology - New Religious Movement in formation?
NonnyMouse1337 · 11/12/2019 13:49

Cheers :)

There's some pretty interesting stats in this article I've been reading today.

newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5501/the-complex-picture-of-religion-and-atheism-today

Although the numbers of people identifying with long-established religions is declining rapidly, I think there's still life left in the churches due to their significant wealth and ability to influence politics and public.

While the modern era and secularism starts to wane, I wonder if we will see significant pushback against postmodernism by religious groups, especially the well organised ones....

As it shrinks, the Church’s centre of gravity is moving towards the evangelical, reflecting the position of Archbishop Justin Welby, and those around him. In a blog post for the London School of Economics, Linda Woodhead and Greg Smith concluded that the Church is likely to shift from the “moderate religion of the people to a more sectarian religion for an evangelical minority”.

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DreadPirateLuna · 11/12/2019 17:30

I was raised Catholic (long since lapsed) and I can completely see the parallels.

"I believe in gender identity, the pronouns almighty... I reject the terfs and all their unholy works..."

I also see parallels in the way child safeguarding is pushed aside in favour of protecting those in the "hierarchy". Only a minority of priests/transwomen are abusive, but when your first instinct is to deny and cover up for your buddies rather than protect the innocent, something is desperately wrong.

StopThePlanet · 12/12/2019 16:52

Fantastic thread!

I want to dig in on this but in order for me to fully express myself I have to be able to speak the truth which is banned here. So in the interest of avoiding the banhammer I'm going to tread lightly.

Growing up Roman Catholic was a distinct experience especially so considering my parents divorced when I was in first grade - my mother was excommunicated as a result but my father and stepmother (married three months after divorce) were accepted with open arms. Somehow my mother became an unwanted and dirty soul after being a devoted Catholic from the moment of her birth and getting divorced while my father converted shortly after my parents married. Transwidows anyone? Yes much different but also very much the same. The marginalization, excommunication, shaming, and quiet/hidden ejection of my mom from her large Catholic family and continued embrace for my father was a mind-fuck for my mom and for me as a very observant and empathetic child. She had become a 'whore' even though she followed all the rules... she wasn't an adulterer my father was (apparent to all around us including myself) however she paid the price for his sins and he got the glory for her piety. I see strong similarities between Roman Catholicism and gender ideology.

The hierarchies, ritual behaviors, tithe, acceptance without exception, feelings/faith without regard for facts, and so much more are parallel.

Because of where I live I have had a very up close and personal experience with Scientology. Clearwater Florida is the global Scientology hub - their global headquarters are there and many of the city businesses are owned by either the Church of Scientology or scientologists. 20 years ago before I realized what Clearwater was all about I went to many job interviews there and on one occasion was locked in an office building. When they explained to me that in order to work for their office as an accounting clerk I would have to convert to Scientology, move into one of their apartments (5+ people to a 2 bedroom 1 bath) as all new converts have to do (unless wealthy or famous or older and established), accept Scientology as my guiding force, accept L. Ron Hubbard as my prophet, and pay for classes as well as rent in the apartment which would leave me some pocket change as I move through Scientology classes with possibility of making a substantial salary sometime in the future. They explained that while these trades of my freedom may sound harsh it was required to work for them and that through these sacrifices I would become enlightened, experience more intense joy, more wealth, and more peace through Scientology. Naturally as an atheist and former Catholic I found it to be preposterous and but told them in a polite and professional way that I was just looking for a job not a religion or a new way of life. As I left the interview room I was followed by the person who was interviewing me as well as two other scientologists (appeared from nowhere) trying to convince me all the way to the door that this was the path for me; when I reach the door it was locked I asked them to unlock it. I stood at the locked door trapped beside it by three men - tears streaming down my face pleading to be released as they tried to break me down and convince me that I should join their 'path of enlightenment'. Finally I screamed at them that my boyfriend knew their company name and address and that I should have been home already... I said "if you do not release me my boyfriend will come looking for me with the police". They then unlocked the door but before clearing my path to exit they asked me to not say anything to anyone like every abuser does and being a good little survivor I promised to not utter a word. Something about them terrified me to my core (beyond trapping me) and while I couldn't put my finger on it all I wanted to do was put millions of miles of distance between them and me.

As a result of my interactions and exposures to Scientology I think that it is probably the best ideology to compare to gender ideology. I can dig in much deeper on the subject as a result of my experiences and research I've done post-exposure. The way people became accepting of Scientology around here is very similar to how gender ideology is taking over... lots of money involved, claims to be science-minded therefore factual, and so on and so forth. Much like gender ideology if an individual decides to leave the Church of Scientology they are shunned by their family and friends who are not allowed to have any further contact as the liberated are considered essentially 'dead'. The liberated are smeared on social media, attacked at their new employers by erroneous fabricated complaints, stalked at their homes and businesses, and in cases where the liberated kept their money with the Church (as is recommended to mostly youth) they relinquish all earnings and savings to the church upon separation. Furthermore, upon separation the church puts together insane lists of charges/invoices for compulsory classes that the liberated has supposedly taken (or did take) and takes people to court to sue them for payment on these classes because they signed a contract when converting to Scientology enforceable by the judicial system. Dissension or lack of capitulation yields complete alienation from everybody they knew, their jobs, and homes.

The subject is seriously fascinating to me and much like you OP, as an atheist, I am fascinated by the religions and faith-based ideologies.

/rant fin

StopThePlanet · 12/12/2019 16:53

I am fascinated by the religions and faith-based ideologies.

Should have said...

I'm fascinated by the religions and faith-based ideologies of the world throughout history.

NonnyMouse1337 · 12/12/2019 17:22

Holy moly StopThePlanet that's a pretty scary experience! Absolutely awful for you. I would have been terrified too.

Scientology is so creepy with its level of financial clout and the extent of its harassment. I don't know how anyone falls for such a blatant Ponzi scheme but I guess vulnerable people can make foolish decisions and then find themselves locked into such a group, especially if they have a lot of money tied into it.

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StopThePlanet · 12/12/2019 17:48

Scientology is so creepy with its level of financial clout and the extent of its harassment

Exactly! And is why is see them as the most closely aligned with gender ideology movement.

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