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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ok what can I do?

29 replies

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 08:02

Where do I join? What can I do? I'm sick of being scared to raise my head above the parapet about TG issues.

Please point me in the right direction. I have a teenage daughter and her rights are being annihilated. I can't stand by and do nothing anymore.

Fucking marks and Spencer's, John Lewis et all. I'm not scared anymore I'm ANGRY!!

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 16/11/2019 08:07

Talk to people and let them know what is happening, it's so important people know what the state is taking away from them right now.
It's not a club you can sign up to or join.

Coldwatershock · 16/11/2019 08:08

Check out Small Acts. Get informed. Devote some time weekly to activity challenging/raising awareness. It kind of helps with the rage.

LiterallyProblematic · 16/11/2019 08:10

Find out if there is a resisters group near you. If there isn't set one up. Organise a talk or something to bring people together.

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 08:14

I know it's not a club FFS @CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost. Why be spikey?? Jeezus

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Snorkers · 16/11/2019 08:16

This week I started sharing some stuff on facebook about trans athletes. I tried not to go full ranty - I just said i felt it was not ok and let the pictures do the talking. I was surprised that I got a few likes and comments by folks i NEVER thought would, and a few friends private messaged me to say they agreed but did not want to offend / get in trouble by liking. I then got a few shares too.

I then posted up the excellent and very calm article by Simon Fanshawe.

My MO now is to be calm and reasoned to show I am not a hysterical TERF (whatever the fuck that is) but this is real and our concerns must be listened to.

I was worried about doing it I must admit, but now my cards are on the table I feel i am being trie to myself - If i lose friends then fuck em - they were never good friends if they can't even debate this with me.

Am lucky that whilst i worked for the NHS for over 10 years, currently and for the foreseeable future I won't work in any kind of public sector or PC sector (but obviously this may change in future - I am prepared to risk that to stand up for women, myself and our rights).

Be brave, be true, research the facts and tell the truth and you can hold your head high - that's all I can say.

Good luck!

jeaux90 · 16/11/2019 08:23

If you have kids in school you can look at the policies (Equality) and see if they are correct. My schools weren't but I talked to the headmaster and got it corrected and explained why.

You can talk to them about PHSE if you have kids in years 5/6 and if and how they will cover gender identity

If you work you can talk to HR about Stonewall concerns if they are looking at signing into membership.

You can write to your MP and ask candidates what their views are on women's rights (WPUK has useful guidance on the website)

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 08:27

Some amazing and useful suggestions. Thanks!

I have now posted on Facebook about Transgenders in sport, is it fair? Not hysterical not mean, just asking, is it fair?

I feel sick actually!!

Def def going to contact schools about their EO Policies!

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Snorkers · 16/11/2019 08:29

Well done! I also just shared the screenshot of the Lib Dem response to the GC voter enquiry (see another post) and said to folks "If you are considering voting Lib Dem please be aware that unless you believe humans can physically and literally change sex, they do not want your vote."

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 08:30

Blimey Snorkers let me know how that goes down on Facebook! You're amazing!!!

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Snorkers · 16/11/2019 08:33

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YoungHun · 16/11/2019 08:36

Yeah I peaked ages ago too, but I'm at the "want to do more stage". Go to markies and tell old women the truth.

I want to get out there and be active. I'm sick of being scared. Although I have almost already fallen out with my woke 34 year old :(

However small steps, my Facebook post has 2 likes!! Hahaha

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Karwomannghia · 16/11/2019 08:37

This TWAW thing, who started that? I mean I know people believe all sorts of things like religious beliefs and I let them be but where did this demand for everyone to join in this bizarre belief begin? And how come so many are happily saying it and see it as the ‘correct’ way?
On my local fb group someone shared a screenshot of an election candidate saying they though TW are TW and they were being called all sorts. I feel like I’m on another planet sometimes. Is being a TW not enough?
I’m saying this because OP you’re brave and I’m a coward because I didn’t say anything and have a public sector job. I do think the emporer’s new clothes can’t last for long.

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 08:43

@Karwomannghia yup that's what I think all the time. The Emperors new clothes!! I've kept quiet because my relationship with my 34 year was more important. And also someone else will fix it.

I'm not brave, I'm scared very scared. I have a high profile job with a popular charity. But fuck it! I'm not keeping quiet anymore!!

And if my 34 year old doesn't understand that I ain't raised him right!

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Karwomannghia · 16/11/2019 08:50

I can’t talk to my dh about it because he says he’d welcome a TM as a M. Comes from a very male perspective.
He thinks ‘that will never happen’ about stuff. text book really so we’ve agreed to not talk about it. My teen ds is gay and very woke but I’ve previously asked him how you know someone’s a woman and he said they have a vagina. He has a TW teacher who gave someone a detention for misgendering and I said how I’d didn’t agree with that and why. He does listen and he knows I’m a nice person so it’s very tiny steps in our house and a lot of avoidance.

SayNotoArtificialLipids · 16/11/2019 08:56

I am relatively new to all this and been lurking for a while. I am worried about speaking out but scared of the world my DD will be growing up in.

Newuser123123 · 16/11/2019 09:04

See our thread below about starting a think tank, trying to use the hive mind!

GaraMedouar · 16/11/2019 09:47

Hi OP - I’m in the same boat as you - I’m 50, and have an 8 year old DD and feel very GC but don’t really know what to do. I’m also a very quiet unassuming person generally who avoids confrontation! I spoke to my mum about the issues and although she’s heard about the sports issue (probably from me) she didn’t know all the ramifications and about self Id people such as Pip Bunce. I’ve asked her to mention to her friendship group where she lives to put the word out.
At my DDs school the equality policy states ‘gender’ instead of the ‘sex’ category so I intend to email the school. I checked my local council and they actually state ‘sex’ so that’s good.
They have the woman = adult human female T-shirt’s on Amazon, and I found badges on eBay - I might treat myself.
The problem is hobby wise I am into musical activities and I find that the majority of who I mix with are left leaning, Labour voting people who go with the TWAW philosophy tone nice and inclusive. I consider myself left leaning too, but I am GC. There is apparently someone who has come out as a trans woman at one of my musical activities. A few of us were told so we weren’t shocked or anything, and a few middle aged women like me said oh isn’t it lovely, how brave and stunning, I think it’s great that people can choose their gender, aren’t we lovely and modern etc that I just sat and said nothing. I know the woman opposite me would not have agreed as she is as right wing as you can get!
Also at school I asked for the slides of what my DD would be taught in her first sex Ed class. That was all ok actually, talked about different families, mums and dads, 2 mums or dads etc , there was nothing about gender but she is only year 4.

And it is definitely the Emperors new clothes.

SayNotoArtificialLipids · 16/11/2019 09:56

I have just bought a heat press for my hobby. I think I will make all my family and friends GC t-shirts for Christmas. Just need some ideas.

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 10:23

Have checked the schools EO policy and the protective characteristic is sex not gender.

Now checking other schools in the area :)

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SunflowerSuit · 16/11/2019 10:28

Lots of useful information here, oarticularly wrt schools

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/ They also have a Facebook page.

Snorkers · 16/11/2019 10:32

Wow - post deleted for using the word Peak in relation to the topic. Gosh, some serious modding going on here. What a terrible shame.

Snorkers · 16/11/2019 10:33

Let's try again...

I am well over the Peak now, it's way back in the distance and I've been sunning myself on Gender Critical beach for at least a year.

BUT most of my friends would never have been on Mumsnet or read much GC stuff. So I think being a conduit for the more 'peaky' items will enable me to guide my friends up and over the mount and to the land of truth and glory

Uncompromisingwoman · 16/11/2019 10:38

A great thread OP. This is how change will happen.
The trans lobby groups have mega ££££ and influence and have been able to bribe and bully their agenda through without democratic debate. But what they can't do is remove women's lived and shared experiences. There's a growing outrage at how politicians have allowed this to happen with no debate. I don't have the ear of MPs and can't bribe them with awards and expensive dinners - but I have removed our accounts from M & S and now John Lewis - and coming up to Christmas, that's a significant amount. And I have found communities of women - meeting. talking and working to retain women's sex based rights.

YoungHun · 16/11/2019 10:42

Fuck me!!! That's ridiculous!! Why the fuck was that thread deleted!!!

Right so today I have

  1. Put a non threatening Facebook post asking if it's fair to have trans athletes in Women's Sports.

  2. Checked local school EO policies.

  3. Signed up for Safe Schools Alliance emails

  4. Contacted Resisters United.

What else?

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Snorkers · 16/11/2019 10:50

Contact all your prospective parliamentary candidates, explain your position and ask for theirs.
Sponsor the new LGB alliance fundraiser (google it)
Get a twitter account and like all GC posts you agree with(careful this will entail many hours of your life being wasted/angry!)

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