We are now 'carriers'

[StarGOLD]

So, I'm on a First Aid course today and whilst revisiting the Recovery Position the demonstrators mentioned that the old rule of describing the recovery position for pregnant women was 'Ladies on the Left'....rolling to avoid the placenta. Well would you believe it we can no longer use that little saying ..we have to say 'Carrier on the Left' as men can now have children.

Some of the male attendees were shocked and had never heard of such a thing.

All the women rolled their eyes. 'Ladies' erased...just like that.

Rats are carriers.

And they say calling someone a man is dehumanising.

Missing the point of the thread, but does it mean that pregnant women should be rolled to one side and not the other? Their left or your left?

If I heard someone say carrier on the left I'd look for a carrier bag.

I was at an adult safeguarding training event last Friday, and every time the trainer said ‘Gender’ I said ‘Sex’, I’m past the point of no return. I think the trainer had absolutely had enough by the end of the afternoon. Maybe next time he will just get it right.

VinandVigour I admire your perseverance, well done!

I dunno.
I can believe it's coming from the top
Maybe not the apex of the pyramid but a few blocks up from the trainer.
"Listen, just make things easy, don't bring a firestorm down on your head, keep your head down and just get through it and hope everyone there does as well"

Squeaky wheels do get the grease.

Most people, the trainers, the attendees, the managers, just want to clock in and get the job done.

Others dont. They want to be front and centre even when it comes to First Aid for pregnant women

Imagine feeling that having your feelings hurt trumps potentially life saving treatment for someone else. Over complicating a relatively simple thing that relies on speed and certainty.

First aid instructor here...

It's bollocks ....hairy or otherwise

The whole point of ladies on the left is the “L” of ladies reminds you to put them on their left side. Same as “righty tightly, lefty loose”. It’s utter bollocks. Obviously someone in their humans rights dept not thinking it through.
If you come across a pregnant person you can be absolutely certain that biologically they a “lady” even if they identify as a man. And if you are putting them in the recovery position they are unconscious so hardly in a position to be upset by you muttering the line under your breath.

WTF! Is a carrier not some sort of sling purchased from Mothercare?

Or a poly bag?

Pigeon?

So they're replacing a clear alliterative aid to remembering something which could (as I understand it) make a difference to a pregnant woman's health (and thus her baby too) by something unclear and in memorable in the cause of 'inclusivity'?

Bloody ridiculous.

When trans women are able to have a uterus transplanted into them, then maybe we can talk about this. But now, is it even relevant? No. Ffs.

Plus, women’s placentas can be anywhere. Not just on the left. So weird comment anyway.

What I gleaned from google was that it was to prevent the foetus compressing a major blood vessel, nothing to do with the placenta.

Redshoe has a very good point as well - men and women experience the pain from heart attacks in a different part of the body.

That’s pretty sexist not to mention ridiculous
My work is a weird anomaly. Despite being public sector, scared of offending anyone and lots of rainbow stuff about we haven’t actually had training on any of this. We had EA training; it was an e-Learning and it was correct (Sex was there) so I completed it without issue. My entire team (all men) are GC because this gender stuff is mainstream news now and they’ve all watched the Piers Morgan stuff. If anyone tried to come along and brainwash them now it’s too late!

I heard gender on a course where sex was the correct term and another (Male) participant made a snarky comment questioning it!!

When I read the title I thought we were going to be a cussed of carrying some sort of disease! That is an incredibly derogatory term!

@MumsnetHQ, think you can ease up on your guidelines? It seems incredibly unfair that we can essentially be called diseased but we can't call a man a man?

*accused

The twisting of terminology is going put someone's life in danger, not only is it important that biology be recognised so we can protect our rights for needed same sex areas but so we can receive proper medical care! Just when I start to think it can't get worse.

Have TRAs really got nothing better to do than jump up and down at first aiders teaching a mnemonic for helping someone pregnant in an emergency situation? The L is what is important for obvious reasons.

No, no male ever gets pregnant. Some women prefer to be called something else than a woman (I'm not listing the whole range) but are still women. You'd think the basic issue of protecting their and their baby's life would be more significant in this moment than getting precious about terminology.

As a PR strategy for the TRA political lobby this is a bloody awful one that is self defeating, as the OP noted: it simply makes everyone increasingly pissed off and unwilling to indulge it.

I've thought up a better alternative which retains the alliteration and targets the specific group (pregnant females) the advice applies to. How about 'Lifegivers left?'

There might be some philosophical objections to 'lifegivers', but imo it's a heck of a lot better than using the same word as 'someone with a transmissible disease' or 'bag' which doesn't even alliterate.

There's simply no excuse for a term which is confusing, offensive and doesn't serve any useful function ('carriers' doesn't help you remember left v right).

Errol thats genius.

Stealthymcstealth Thats already happened. A trans man in labour didn't explain in plain English what the problem was and the nurse thought she was dealing with a man with stomach ache.

Trigger warning;
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190725055509/metro.co.uk/2019/05/20/pregnant-transgender-mans-baby-died-because-nurse-didnt-realize-he-was-in-labor-9613972/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190725055509/metro.co.uk/2019/05/20/pregnant-transgender-mans-baby-died-because-nurse-didnt-realize-he-was-in-labor-9613972/

You always place a fainting or unconscious pregnant woman on her left side to avoid the weight of the uterus compressing the inferior vena cava. Compression of the IVC reduces blood flow and therefore oxygen to the woman's brain.
Nothing whatever to do with the placenta.

Confusing and enormously unhelpful. Obviously the 'Ladies' and 'left' alliteration is an aide-memoire, so changing it to 'carriers' renders it useless, as well as being utterly offensive. Maybe he could call it 'labial genitaliad people' on the left, hmmm?

I'm just about to book myself onto a first aid course. Do you mind saying which provider this was so I can avoid!!