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Tired of creepy/patronising men – a vent

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OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/11/2019 16:31

I used to work in, and still follow as a hobby, a sport that is male dominated, although female participation is improving and I’m far from the only female fan. I’m a member of a few FB groups related to the sport and, in part because I used to work in the industry, I can post with some authority (e.g. answering questions about how certain aspects work) and because I’ve been a lifelong enthusiast I can remember esoteric facts or reminisce about less well known characters from back in the day when I contribute to discussions.

Invariably – and I do mean invariably – regardless of which group it is, at some point I end up receiving notifications that some random Joe Bloggs or other, always male, has messaged me. It’s usually after a post where I’ve made a contribution of the type referred to above, and there’s almost always a patronising ‘fancy you knowing that’ vibe to the messages (for clarity, the messages are from different men). I’ve got wise to this now and just ignore the messages and block anyone persistent or demanding but the first couple of times it happened I naively replied; one guy ended up practically spamming me on a daily basis with links to articles about the sport, including articles I’d commented on in the group that he’d clearly seen because he’d already liked or replied to my comment (as he did to every single one of my comments until I blocked him), and another tried to steer the conversation into a pick up situation, wanting to make plans to meet up at a sporting event. I should add that even when I used a profile photo that was of my face – I don’t now – I’m no vision of beauty so this is not a stealth boast of ‘how attractive am I?’ In fact it’s precisely because I didn’t/don’t expect men to find me attractive that I replied to the first two or three messages in all innocence in the first place.

I have a few male friends and ex-colleagues who follow the same sport and are members of the same or similar groups and I’ve asked them if they experience this. Quelle surprise, they don’t Hmm It happened again this morning: I’d posted advising someone about the history of a particular historical reference book for the sport – it’s one that has attained something of a mythic status amongst fans and only pops up on eBay etc in a certain format once in a blue moon, and the organisation I used to work for originally printed it back in the 1970s so I know its story – and lo and behold, a short while later up pops ‘James’ with a ‘ooh, what a clever girl you are to know that, what else do you know?’ type message. I actually have a sentence on my FB profile in the bio section that states I don’t respond to unsolicited messages even if we’re members of the same groups so the minute you click on my profile to send a message it’s RIGHT THERE that you’re crossing a boundary I have put in place. And yet…

I know I’m far from unique in experiencing this (which itself is a pretty damning indictment on entitled male behaviour) but it’s so irritatingly predictable, and I’m annoyed that at times I feel put off from chatting about a sport I love in case it encourages more of this behaviour. It’s the patronising, faux (or maybe not?) surprise that a woman could have an in-depth knowledge of the history and workings of the sport that particularly infuriates. It’s not quite mansplaining but it’s first cousin to it. Anyway, I’m sick of it and I wish it would stop.

Longer than anticipated rant over, thank you if you read this.

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MIdgebabe · 13/11/2019 16:43

What else do you know? I can answer that one..but....Are we allowed to call the guy a plonker?

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/11/2019 16:49

Ha, yes - I'm not going to reply but if I were that would be it: "I know you're a patronising arse".

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BlingLoving · 13/11/2019 16:51

the other cousin of the same thing is when a man is surprised you know it and it's obvious, but not in a pick up type way. eg DH's friend who is permanently surprised when I make a comment re banking. I worked in banking for 15 bloody years you plonker!

Inebriati · 13/11/2019 17:09

I used to get that in my online hobby group and had to change my screen name and avatar to a gender neutral one.

I constantly get unsolicited explanations about how a thing works. Yesterday I got a lecture on the relative merits of two kind of tap, and this morning the postman demonstrated to me how a hand held scanner works.

powershowerforanhour · 13/11/2019 17:35

The sport I follow has several online forums dedicated to it so I lurked for a while then picked the online forum that seemed to be fairly well moderated and contain the fewest wankers, discussion in general was considered and civilised and the few openly female posters were treated like anyone else. I chose a gender neutral username with no avatar photo and for the first year or so let any assumption that I was male pass without comment eg "This week's top scorer in our online competition was Power- he correctly predicted blah blah". Only once I was established as a member for that length of time did I first say "It's Mrs Power actually...thanks for the congratulations". Now all the regulars and mods know I am female. Newbies still assume I am male and I don't correct them- if they hang around long enough they will pick it up from regular respected posters referring to me as "she". Seems to work OK.

Loopytiles · 13/11/2019 17:38

Plonkers indeed.

Wonder if this is related to men who show off if their girlfriend reportedly enjoys “mens” hobbies/viewing.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 13/11/2019 17:56

Yesterday I got a lecture on the relative merits of two kind of tap
Sounds like a keeper 😂

CeridwenTheWitch · 13/11/2019 18:15

It sounds very tiresome OP, I can sort of relate. I think any woman who is involved in any sort of geeky male dominated thing tends to get harassed to a certain extent by men in those groups. I was once in this online forum and managed to pick up not one but two stalkers who created new accounts to contact me and ask me why I'd blocked them. They didn't even know anything about me, hadn't seen what I looked like, all they knew was that I was that magical beast, a FEMALE and that was all it took. I had to leave because it became quite alarming.

I've also had trouble when networking, where men have said their organisations have had jobs so I've given them my details to contact me about said jobs. They then used my details to ask me on weird dates, comment on my appearance etc.

There are a lot of men who will push boundaries and act creepily and patronising to women. I'm not sure what the answer is, apart from the learn about and enforce boundaries (which you're already doing), avoid the creeps, don't feel guilty and also to hide the fact that you're female in a lot of online forums. I think the fact that you're blocking and banning them is good, because leniency towards this sort of thing is why they keep doing it.

UpfieldHatesWomen · 13/11/2019 18:20

I went on a date with a guy to an art exhibition. I have an MA in Fine Art. The guy did not, it wasn't his area of knowledge at all. A very well-known French artist had some work on show. He said he thought it she had a Canadian name, and that she was Canadian. I assured him that she was a very well-known French artist. He continued to insist that her name was Canadian, and got his phone out to Google her to prove it to me. Reader, I did not marry him.

Otherwise, I find a lot of men now think the whole of the internet is a dating app, and any woman who has a profile online no matter what the context is there to potentially provide titillation. I get random messages from strangers wanting to chat on social media, except they have nothing to chat about, they just say 'hi gorgeous, or the like'. Yes, I know they could say a lot worse, but, we clearly don't live in the same country, they have literally nothing to say other than comments on my appearance, and so I can only assume they expect a free sexting service or nudes will be provided. Why don't they just go on a dating site or sex chatroom, instead of picking random women minding their own business who live half way around the world and have a completely different agenda?

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/11/2019 20:52

I find a lot of men now think the whole of the internet is a dating app

I think that sums it up perfectly.

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