Where can we be safe?

[Stealthymcstealth]

I have been lurking on this board for a few days and it has struck me that if the current trend continues there will be nowhere safe for women in the outside world, their homes, even online on websites that were designed for women.

Same sex places may no longer be available to us leaving us vulnerable to men who would take advantage of this. Womens hostels, a place for women to escape abuse may be open to any man identifying as a woman?!

The laws protecting us are eroding so much that a woman being strangled to death can be deemed an unfortunate accident.

Our right to call ourselves women is being taken away under the guise of it being a hate crime.

Even Mumsnet, a place for Mum's, a Mum being a biological woman who has given birth, is choking it's users freedom of speech with guidelines that are geared more toward protecting those who seek to strip biological women of their rights than the women that made this site what it is today.

I saw the slogan "Women's rights are human rights" and I don't feel like I am being treated as a human, I feel less than, like my safety isn't important because of my sex.

I cannot understand why my rights are being stripped and given away. There is nothing equal about that.

Women being forced to relinquish their rights to men under the guise of equality.

I want to be safe from the opposite sex, a sex that is known to be predatory toward my own, I want my fucking rights back!

Where will we be safe if the TRA's wipe out our rights to even call ourselves women let alone be protected as one?

What happens to us?

Sorry for the ramble, it just hit me how much this scares me.

Your home will end up being (possibly) the single place you can be free from males. Of course, many of us won't even have that 'luxury'.

Just read an article where TRA's campaigned to cut funding to a women's rape crisis center and they won

The more I educate myself on this subject the more terrifying it becomes.

The more I educate myself on this subject the more terrifying it becomes.

Which is why it's important to let everyone around know what the State is currently doing RIGHT NOW to their rights.

It's a massive worry.

I'm Jewish (Reform/liberal) and I worry about my female friends who are Orthodox.

That's awful. What reason did they give for cutting funding to woman's rape crisis centre?

Your own home. That's it.

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Just wanted to let my fellow women know that @Peckham_Audio does not value women’s privacy. There are no female toilets, there is a male bathroom with open plan urinals and a number of stalls - this is referred to as gender neutral. (1)

I spent 10 minutes sat on the toilet waiting for a group of men who were sniffing coke and being loud / intimidating to leave before I felt safe enough to leave the toilet. Another location I have to avoid because my safety and privacy is compromised. (2)

It is frightening, OP.

I've thought for a while that things will get worse before they get better - and women may well have to go back and fight for this stuff all over again.

But fight it, we must.

I recommend "women don't have penises" stickers - always make me smile Obviously you absolutely must not put these in women's toilets or anything, just for novelty value.

The more I educate myself on this subject the more terrifying it becomes.

It is terrifying. One of the worst things is the "woke" women who are supporting this narrative.

I've gone through the same realisation as you OP. It suddenly dawns on you the more you read about what is happening.

If it was really about acceptance and rights, the TRAs would be working towards creating third and fourth spaces, funding their own domestic violence shelters etc. Because they'd be acknowledging their biological reality that way, the way they do in countries that have a third gender such as India. But that isn't what they are doing, they are insisting that all women only spaces now let in males, no longer making them women only, under the guise of 'inclusion.'

It is sinister and you're right, there will be no public safe spaces for us unless the woke train is stopped. I feel like more and more people will realise this sooner or later but I also worry this will be after laws have been changed. Unfortunately due to the leftwing media blackout, the way this is being pushed in schools and universities, the way people get fired for speaking out, the censorship everywhere a lot of people are either unaware of what's happening or believe we are 'on the wrong side of history.'

I feel they'll get it eventually and be horrified at what they supported.

We need to keep speaking up calmly, rationally, sharing what is happening so more and more people are aware.

Unfortunately due to the leftwing media blackout, the way this is being pushed in schools and universities, the way people get fired for speaking out, the censorship everywhere a lot of people are either unaware of what's happening or believe we are 'on the wrong side of history.’

I think that’s a very accurate assessment and it really is quite chilling. I really believe that most people are unaware of how far this regulatory capture extends and how its proponents are determined to apply a battering ram to every female public space. I also agree that in ten years or twenty years or however long it takes people will look back at this not with admiration and applause but with justifiable disbelief. And contempt for those whose silence let this happen

When I first started talking about this I kept asking how many women and girls harmed will it take for our institutions to admit that the path they're currently on is a mistake. Is there a point at which they'll make that admission? Or is the acceptable number of women and girls harmed infinite?

The realisation for me was the increase of women being murdered under the guise of 'rough sex' and the men being given extremely lenient sentences, a woman was literally beaten to death (which I cannot imagine being a fast process) and then man got an outrageously short sentence, almost indicating that the woman had a role in her own death??

We are killed and raped by men in the millions across the world, yet if we are even to bring it up we are treated like militant feminists. I have no issue with trans women but want the recognition to be based on SEX and not GENDER as I feel this muddied the water.

We no longer have bathrooms, changing rooms, certain well known ponds (lol) or FAIR sports that we had to fight so long for. I sometimes question my own views because I do believe being inclusive to trans women is the way forward, but I have no idea how this can be done in a safe way.

Regarding the changing room thread I have read about today and am now following on Twitter, my understanding is a man now doesn't even need to associate as a woman to use their services and can just be trying on lingerie, for example, surrounded by women. Do these people not understand that we have been assaulted, sexually harassed, raped and murdered in the millions???? Yet we are the ones who are attacked for being unreasonable????

I have personally been sexually assaulted when on nights out multiple times, and my own FEMALE friends often respond with, 'dont get so wound up, he only touched your bum'. NO, not on my ducking watch. The point being that this behaviour is so intertwined in our society that unless we are being raped it doesn't seem to be worth mentioning.

Ladies, time to fuck politeness and start standing up for ourselves.

It is terrifying. One of the worst things is the "woke" women who are supporting this narrative. Absolutely agree, it's like a modern day version of 'Stepford Wives'. Everything I thought we'd won is dissolving in front of me.

It is terrifying and it wasn’t until it really picked up steam that I shifted my stance, when it became less about a person’s right to be trans and more about that person’s ‘right’ to take over any and all female spaces under the guise of acceptance.

I worry about my DD who is only 2 right now, but if the western world continues on this trajectory I have little to no idea on how to educate her to keep safe - something that was daunting enough when I was a child and my Grandmother had to explain it to me (I started developing breasts at age 9 so got a crash course at a very early age on protecting myself from predatory behaviour) but I find myself less and less equipped on how to tackle this subject with any girl these days. My youngest sister is 15 and her school are trying to introduce gender neutral toilets... the thing is these toilets will be what used to be the girls loos, the boys loos remain untouched and unaffected by the proposed change, trying to get the school board to see reason on how unfair and unacceptable this is, is near impossible because they are operating under the fear that if they don’t, they will be labelled as transphobic and what that can mean for their careers and lives.

I do truly think people believe we're on the wrong side of history - the prevalent argument "it's like the arguments against gay people in the 80s" is a popular myth.

This argument is easily refutable because it frames women as the oppressors. Women are not the oppressors for trying to maintain facilities for women only - these facilities are needed precisely because women themselves are oppressed by males - and are subject to disproportionate levels of harassment, sexual assault, voyeurism by males.

We have to pushback this narrative that women are oppressors every time. You see it developing along twitter threads - including the narrative that women are just as safe sharing with males because "women do it too" "Rose West" etc. As though mentioning the 2% of women offenders negates the fact that 98% of sex offenders are male.

Twitter now deletes/bans users for saying "only men can rape, rape is with a penis" as transphobic - despite that being written into English law. It's a twisted narrative that is damaging to women - because it removes all references to women's oppression on the basis of biological sex.

Everything I thought we'd won is dissolving in front of me.

This is one of the most incredible things about it. Battles which took most of the 20th century to win are just shriveling like a vampire in the sunlight. There is something so profoundly regressive about so much of it. The fact that any non stereotypical gender behavior is seen as evidence for surgery? The idea that women should just shut up and get on with collective self sacrifice rather than resist this colonization of sex segregated spaces? WTAF? It’s so reactionary and conformist.

Completely depressing.
Just as we are seeing the impact of the loosening of boundaries about porn in terms of many so women being murdered by men with "sex gone wrong" defences, so it will take countless assaults on women and children before the fools removing sex segregated spaces / resources for women suddenly wake up to the reality of why we need this protection. I have to step away from it at times as it is so enraging to see the culpable stupidity.

It truly is terrifying the grip this has in every area of female life.

I'm being told to vote, to support women's shelters/refuges the NHS, education, social care. But what's the point if we can no longer acknowledge what a woman is? Those very services, rights and spaces that keep women and children safe have been dismantled at a startling rate and under our very noses.

Statements about human rights have become meaningless. Just corporate statements that populist 'activists' like Emma Watson can wear on their Fruit of the Loon T-shirts.

We have to vote with our feet and wallets - LOUDLY.

Men don't always understand why a woman doesn't want to share space with a man - and it's not a 'trans issue' - that's a different thing - it's a male issue that has somehow morphed out of the trans movement somehow.

Where has the third thread on M&S gone ?

It's here SirVix

I spent 10 minutes sat on the toilet waiting for a group of men who were sniffing coke and being loud / intimidating to leave before I felt safe enough to leave the toilet. Another location I have to avoid because my safety and privacy is compromised. (2)

Bloody Hell. Soon there will be reports of few women going out anymore and the papers asking why that is!

Yes genius idea to have mixed sex loos in a nightclub.

@GrandmaMazur

www.feministcurrent.com/2019/03/20/discontinuation-of-grant-to-vancouver-rape-relief-shows-trans-activism-is-an-attack-on-women/

The Centre for victims of rape or violence and the hands of men were discriminating against men who wanted to gain access because they identify as a woman so had their funding cut.

Stealth Thanks for the link but - just wow. It's all completely bonkers - how the hell did we end up here? I feel like I've slipped into a parallel universe...