Clinton & Clinton on R4

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Talking about women!

And of course trans women. Of course. Clinton Jr is well on board, I thought she was supposed to be intelligent. She had really turned me off any positive thoughts of Clinton Snr - who seems to think this is the way things are going.

Decca Aitkenhead recently did an interview with them both in the Times in which she asked about the trans issue, and which brought out a clear difference in opinion between mother and daughter - I think this might be what prompted Mishal Husain to ask about it. Hillary Clinton's answer was an excellent example of how to answer a question without saying anything at all.

Chelsea's answer, on the other hand, was as fatuous as you might expect.

I read that and was hoping for Hillary to take a stand. She has not...

I heard the end of it but I thought it was quite positive with the comment that trans women don’t have the lived experience of women.

I think that a producer on the Today programme was aware of the recent Times interview with the Clintons:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hillary-clinton-chelsea-interview-8j33c8vt5?&wgu=270525_54264_15710328024183_776741b996&wgexpiry=1578808802

and Mishal Husain was up for the discussion. My spidey senses suggest to me that Hussain might be the most gender critical female presenter on Today.

The responses of Clinton snr and jnr were completely in line with what they'd already said. Clinton snr's response was just to say words until the question went away. She can't afford to be honest about this.

I got the impression that there was only one transwoman in the Clintons' book. I would have expected there to be more than that.

Because women were chosen on merit?

I think a factor for the Clintons is that they have both worked closely with Sarah McBride. (Sarah McBride was the person whose office Posie Parker and Julia Long entered). I don’t know much about Sarah McBride but I think she comes across as committed and hardworking.

I think we should be careful about using lives experience as a measure of what it means to be a woman. Yes all women have this, but it’s not what makes us women. It’s a result of being a woman not a defining characteristic.

Yes. You could tell Hillary was dancing round this. When talking about the differences she spoke of lived experiencee rather than biology.

The stuff I see coming from the US has me wanting to knock my head against a brick wall. It's the unquestioning acceptance/maudlin @isnt she so brave' stories in mainstream media that gets me.

I think we should be careful about using lives experience as a measure of what it means to be a woman. Yes all women have this, but it’s not what makes us women. It’s a result of being a woman not a defining characteristic.

Yes. There are some instances where it's pertains to the particular issue being discussed, but overall I don't see how it helps the question of who is a woman.

Have you seen this article from James Kirkup about it?

Very careful words chosen by H. Clinton. Deliberately so.

And reiterating her previous point just a week or so after Obama's "wrong verb" talk.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/hillary-clintons-transgender-heresy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Just came to post about it, Sonic!

"Sarah McBride was the person whose office Posie Parker and Julia Long entered"

Small point, it was not McBride's office. The room they entered was a room in a public building, the US House of Representatives. McBride was there to lobby on removing the right of girls to participate in female only sport.

Oh! Not a small point Dreichdrizzle. It was presented by some people as entering an office, not a public space. Thanks for the info.