GC article in Conservative Woman

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And it's rather good:
www.conservativewoman.co.uk/womens-right-to-be-women-a-dispatch-from-the-battlefront/

Interesting, balanced and informative article. Its important we teach out to our right-wing sisters too.

Good article. Women's rights and protections are not a left vs right thing. It impacts us all regardless of our political viewpoint.

Good article but the comments were pretty horrible. Most along the lines of "serves you right you nasty feminsts".

In this area I think it's prudent to google the authors of articles, whichever position they're argument from.

Joisanofthedales I think there's a tendency for most people to view certain groups as a monolith without any nuance or disagreements.
Many on the left assume anyone who is conservative or supports more right wing policies is automatically a racist or even a fascist. Many on the right conflate any support for more left wing politics as some endorsement for communism.
And I think many people assume feminism is a monolith - some prevailing arguments like there are no differences between women and men or prostitution is empowering and so on are pushed heavily by certain feminist groups - and people might think that's what all feminists are like, instead of the reality which is that there's many differences of opinions and strands of feminism.

Nonny I think you are sadly right as to how many view feminism.

And I think many people assume feminism is a monolith - some prevailing arguments like there are no differences between women and men or prostitution is empowering and so on are pushed heavily by certain feminist groups

But where are the feminists who said that they thought it would be a good idea if men could actually claim to be women, steal their scholarships and sporting achievements and invade their safe spaces?

Conservative Woman has been producing good articles on this subject for quite a while. James Kirkup occasionally writes for them.

I dont see a problem with intelligent journalism whatever the medium, and indeed see advantage in articles that reach different audiences.

OldCrone umm pretty much every feminist I have come across in my personal life are very much on board the whole TWAW and that they don't see how letting men into women's spaces is a bad thing.

It's only in a few online spaces like MN and Reddit that I have come across feminists that openly challenge such thinking. And now that's slowly trickling it's way into media.

Note it's mostly a report on a meeting of Women's Place, a left-leaning organisation.

Women's rights and protections are not a left vs right thing. It impacts us all regardless of our political viewpoint.

Spot on. And freedom of speech, and assembly, which were among the authors original concerns.

You're always going to find men who want to tell women 'serves you right, see what you get for getting out of your box like silly girls'.

Times article comments are full of them. There are less here though than there used to be, and have been less in the Times lately. I think more and more of those men are starting to get it. There is a lot of anger about the mis use of policing and increasing unhappiness with the teaching and impact upon children.

It was a rather good article.

I got lost reading other articles, following links and went down a few rabbit holes but it was a fascinating experience.

Michelle is right about the men (and probably some the women too) that hang around there. They are quite happy to scold women back into their box, but they hate anyone telling them how to live their lives.

pretty much every feminist I have come across in my personal life are very much on board the whole TWAW and that they don't see how letting men into women's spaces is a bad thing.

Yes, I'm aware of this type of 'feminist', but what I don't get is why some men seem to think that transgender ideology is the logical extension of campaigns by women for women's rights.

There are men on there saying that gender ideology has happened because women wanted to be called 'Ms'.

Another one says: it is not only feminists who are reaping what they have sown, but society generally is also paying for the ideological drivel "feminists" have rammed down the nation's throat for the last 60 years!

Having typed all that I've just seen this comment which maybe explains their misunderstanding about what feminism is - this one seems to equate it with biology denial: it very hard to have any sympathy for feminists now dealing with an ideology born out of their insistence that biology is a minor issue in “gender” which is some created thing by an evil patriarchy.

And on a different point, this is one of the most ridiculous comments on there:

Ohh poor feminists! They only have the entirety of academia and the publishing industry to speak for them. Oh, and the state funded broadcaster. And Channel 4. And the Guardian, the Minister for Women, The Fawcett Society and the EHRC … but apart from that yes, you have to whisper your support for women because wherever you go, patriarchy continually denies feminists a voice. Yeah right.