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Meghan Murphy article in US Spectator

27 replies

ChipOnMyOvary · 05/11/2019 01:12

spectator.us/trans-rights-voter-wrongs/

Trans rights, voter wrongs, Insisting that men can be women is a sure way to lose an election

OP posts:
ViktoriaLukas · 05/11/2019 01:14

spectator.us/trans-rights-voter-wrongs/

ChipOnMyOvary · 05/11/2019 01:18

Thankyou Viktoria!

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NonnyMouse1337 · 05/11/2019 06:37

Wow that description of the town hall meeting sounds crazy! Shock

TimeLady · 05/11/2019 06:39

And thank you, Meghan.

Sunkisses · 05/11/2019 06:49

Excellent article Meghan. And our Labour Party here are committing the same mistake here, with Corbyn's cringe-worthy pronoun announcement at Penis News awards (as if anyone didn't know he is a man), and Dawn Butler's drunk and embarrassing performance at the same awards, ranting about gay giraffes and intoning dogmatic slogans. It might excite the young woke Momentum fanatics, but it turns off and alienates the voters - you know, the ordinary people you are supposed to represent

niceberg · 05/11/2019 06:59

Extraordinary. And fucking disturbing.

Lamahaha · 05/11/2019 07:14

The US left is walking blindfolded into a stunning and brave new world, led by MRA and politicians. The UK is not far behind.

Our feminist mothers and grandmothers must be turning in their graves.

BadgertheBodger · 05/11/2019 07:25

Another brilliant article from Meghan. Sounds like the Democrats have decided, like our Labour Party, that they can’t really be fucked with being elected and are going to field woke children instead of policies which actually help the people they are supposed to represent. The focus on trans women of colour being murdered at the town hall meeting - well, I can see that might, might be a forum to raise that, but the absolute lack of insight that most TW of colour who were murdered were very sadly involved in prostitution, oh yes and murdered by men, is astonishing. As Meghan says, I wonder how many women of colour were murdered in the last week or so? I bet the number is about equivalent or higher. When you control the discussion you control the flow of information.

greenapplesred12 · 05/11/2019 07:45

Sounds like the Democrats have decided, like our Labour Party, that they can’t really be fucked with being elected and are going to field woke children instead of policies which actually help the people they are supposed to represent

Which is one of dozens of reasons why, as utterly repellant and vile as he is, Trump will get another term in office.

teawamutu · 05/11/2019 07:57

It is so refreshing to read the truth told with utter clarity and no bullshit. Thank you OP and Meghan. Another link for my prospective MPs, I think...

Lucyslampost · 05/11/2019 08:03

Amazing article. Thank you for posting it.

I've been lurking and reading for a while but am now seeing that lurking and reading isn't enough.

BadgertheBodger · 05/11/2019 08:18

Welcome to the dark side Lucy!

The more voices we have, the less we can be ignored.

Lucyslampost · 05/11/2019 08:20

Thank you Badger!

I'm in.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/11/2019 08:26

Flowers Meghan.

Matereality · 05/11/2019 08:42

Meghan is inspirational. I don't know where she finds the strength to persist but am so glad that she does Flowers

morningtoncrescent62 · 05/11/2019 08:48

Meghan nails it - as usual.

Most people have real problems, not fake ones, and they don’t want to be shouted at by self-centered, entitled people, or woke bullies.

I haven't yet lost faith in the left in the UK, and I still think overall Labour is a lot better for women than any alternative. But they really need to take a long, hard look at where they're going, and stop following the north American left into the woke-bro abyss. The points Meghan makes in that article aren't quite true of the UK left yet, but they're imaginable, and if present trends go unchecked that's where we're headed. Labour, and the left more generally in the UK, needs to get a grip on the bullying culture that's getting more and more established every day.

Welcome to the fray Lucy - every added voice makes a difference. We can't all be Meghan, but we can voice our support for her.

drspouse · 05/11/2019 08:52

A huge part of Obama's success was working class religious Black voters.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that.

GrinitchSpinach · 05/11/2019 14:13

I admire Meghan Murphy very much and agree with much of what she wrote here (am terrified the gender ideology pandering will split off enough swing voters/depress enough women voters to throw this election to Trump) but the following framing is quite wrong:

Rather than address real issues, the Democrats have resorted to virtue signaling.

I mean, this is simply not true. You can oppose Sanders' and Warren's Medicare for All and Green New Deal; you can oppose O'Rourke's gun regulation proposals (I know he's dropped out now but still), but it's completely dishonest to pretend that Democrats are not proposing massive changes to address real issues this campaign cycle.

They are absolutely wrong on gender ideology, but at the same time the Democrats are not making it the centerpiece of their campaigns at the expense of big structural changes on bread-and-butter issues.

I don't weigh in on UK politics threads, although I try to follow the issues a little. I think that people writing about politics in another country should be fairly expert on the topic lest they come off as glib and uninformed.

Michelleoftheresistance · 05/11/2019 14:29

Because God forbid anyone should ever sound glib and uninformed in a casual chat on a thread in a public forum.....

No, ordinary mortals are allowed to discuss politics too. Really.

dreichwinter · 05/11/2019 14:55

I currently watch far too much CNN and would have to agree than gender politics is not getting any mainstream airtime in the USA.
Dems view on healthcare are getting the most airtime currently, gun control gets a little and green issues.
Not to say it isn't there as an issue but it is a very small one I have heard mention of transgender in the military as a side issue.

GrinitchSpinach · 05/11/2019 15:14

Sorry, Michelle, I didn’t mean to offend anyone here. I meant that Murphy, as a Canadian, publishing this article on US politics and framing it that way comes off as glib and uninformed.

I guess by mentioning my avoiding posting on UK politics here I was intending to say that I would hold myself to an even higher standard for actual publication, not that people shouldn’t feel free to discuss on messageboards.

Goosefoot · 05/11/2019 20:10

A huge part of Obama's success was working class religious Black voters. Everyone seems to have forgotten that.

And they forget that about 28% of Hispanic voters voted for Trump. I have to wonder how many were Catholics, but even if that wasn't a factor at all in their turn away from the Democrats (the traditional party of Catholic voters until recently) clearly there is something the Democrats are not missing about why people aren't voting for them.

GrinitchSpinach · 06/11/2019 11:42

But 27% percent of Latinos voted Romney 2012; 31% voted McCain 2008; 40% voted George W Bush 2004; 35% voted Bush 2000. I don't see an evidence that Latino voters have "turned away" from Democrats recently. We'll see how the next one shakes out.

My point is not that this is not an electoral danger for Democrats (it is!), simply that it hasn't been publicized enough to significant electoral consequences yet. (Am reading with interest this morning's write-ups of the Kentucky governor's race, where the Democrat appears to have been elected in a squeaker. This is the race in which the GOP has been testing its "males in high school girls' sports" ads as a kind of preview to 2020.)

andyoldlabour · 06/11/2019 12:31

"Which is one of dozens of reasons why, as utterly repellant and vile as he is, Trump will get another term in office."

This is what I said before Trump was made POTUS back in 2016, and I was accused of being a Trump supporter - I detest the bloke. There was only 55% turnout in that election, showing that over 100 million Americans decided not to vote, and at the end of the day Clinton polled nearly 3 million more votes than Trump, which really shows how ludicrous the electoral system is.

BickerinBrattle · 06/11/2019 15:22

I don’t think that gender issues are salient for US voters right now.

That doesn’t mean, though, that the Republicans can’t make them so as the election draws closer.

Even still, the issues may not draw voters to the polls, but they may depress turnout, creating a “pox on both your houses” effect.

Where this matters most is in the Rust Belt swing states where Dems who’d voted twice for Obama didn’t turn out for Clinton.

Clinton’s difference in popular vote cane from two states: California and New York. The Electoral College has been in place for 230 years. Clinton knew this and should have campaigned accordingly; she didn’t. She was badly advised by Robbie Mook, who also badly advised Theresa May’s election.

The Democrats have to quit complaining about the Electoral College and instead deal with the fact that the states they call “flyover” will NEVER consent to rule by California and New York. They have to start actually campaigning in those states. That actually was the plan — Howard Dean’s Campaign in Fifty States project launched in 2004 — until Obama in 2009 as head of the party cancelled that project and removed Democratic Party workers from the “flyover” states.

The United States is NOT a democracy. It is a republic, comprised of 50 semi-sovereign states. Canada has a somewhat similar set-up, which is why Trudeau was just re-elected with fewer popular votes than the conservatives.