Judge who deals with GRCs says she has refused approx 3 applications in 14 years.

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Link here :

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Tribunals-Journal-Edition-2-of-2019-1.pdf

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Interesting read, I note that the government response was meant to be produced by June 2019, but still nothing is forthcoming.
Now that same sex marriage is legal, I see no valid reason for issuing anyone with a GRC. It is not possible to change sex & creating law based on fiction is madness.
Men can identify how they like but they are still men.

I wonder who does their trans training and if they're another strand of the judiciary that has been captured

That was an interesting read. The legal issues that justified the GRA back in 2005 have been mostly fixed now. So shouldn’t it be reviewed to see if it’s still needed?

It’s not a kindness to pretend that humans can change sex, when really they can’t.
The legal pretence is at odds with the needs and interests of other groups in having single-sex spaces, services, job opportunities, sports, education. Ignoring that tension, pretending it’s not there, is specifically disadvantaging to women.

We rarely refuse applications, and when we do it’s generally due to a consistent lack of co-operation, the applicant having been given a number of opportunities to provide the necessary documentary evidence. I probably deal with about 200 cases a year-although some are previously adjourned applications and over some 14 years I think I have refused three.

So it’s just a paperwork exercise then . No oversight, so safeguarding etc. I’d be interested to ask Judge Gray what happens if, for example, someone states they intend to “live as a man” and then goes and does the most female thing possible such as have a baby. Does that raise any from the panel? Do they have an recourse? we know the answer

I can’t see how, it people are only refused because they’re disorganised and people can flagrantly defy their legally stated intentions, the GRC can be fit for purpose.

As an initial group of judges sitting down to consider the 2004 Act we determined from the outset that our approach would be a facilitative one.

Oh, did you, indeed? How did you decide that? I didn't notice it in the legislation.

That's nice. No concern to get it right for women as well then?

You and your facilitative can fuck right off.

I agree that there is no need for a falsified document pretending that the person has changed sex. The GRA is no longer fit for purpose and should be repealed.

Yes GRC is obsolete now we have equal marriage, equal pension age and GDPR. Recent proposals to 'reform' the GRA look more like attempts to repurpose it - use it to provide different benefits to a different group of people from those originally intended.

The article confirmed my impression that the GRP and the admin team bend over backwards to be helpful to applicants in ways that are unheard of for anybody else dealing with a government process.

The author said she had dealt with about 200 applicants a year for 14 years = 2800. This is just under half of total applicants and she has turned down 3. So, unless her colleagues have completely different standards for approving applications, we can estimate that approx 6 applicants have ever been outright refused a GRC. That would have been useful info to have during the consultation.

So there’s a 50:50 chance this person was on the panel that approved Challenor’s GRC? How many panels are there? Just making a mental note for any potential future revelations

So there’s a 50:50 chance this person was on the panel that approved Challenor’s GRC?

Good point.

And the lawyer type

Just noticed she is now the President of the Panel

www.judiciary.uk/announcements/president-of-the-gender-recognition-panel-paula-gray/

2800 is over half of the total number of GRCs. My maths is shit.

Whatever. Hand them out like sweets. The horse is long gone from that swinging stable door anyway.

What must be acknowledged by this person and everyone else involved, is that when the boundary was allowed to slide from transsexual people who had gone through full reassignment surgery to including Pippa Bunce, Danielle Whatzit and those who enjoy recreational cross dressing, it ceased to be possible to allow female only spaces to be accessed as part of transition.

Throw GRCs around like smarties. Ensure everyone can dress as they want and call themselves what they want and have whatever they want on their legal documents (I think that's nuts but whatever), and absolutely they should be protected in law from harassment or discrimination for doing so.

And then create third mixed sex spaces, and specify protection for female only spaces for female born people and be very clear about the difference between sex (unchanging fact) and gender (it's all yours, vary at will), because at this point there is nothing else to be done. That genie will never go back in the bottle.

I agree that there is no need for GRCs to exist anymore.

The whole legal fiction should be scrapped and everyone judged according to the sex they actually are.