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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Praying outside abortion clinics

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Knewmee · 03/11/2019 12:56

There’s been quite a lot of press coverage in the UK recently about a young man who was arrested for praying, very publicly, outside an abortion clinic- the case against him was discontinued for largely technical reasons.

I’m really shocked by the tone of the press coverage- this man’s arrest is uncritically portrayed as being an example of ‘intolerance’, the suppression of certain ideas, and of debate.

There is no absolutely recognition in the press coverage of the crucial distinction between political campaigning and harassment of individuals.

In our society, people are free to disagree strongly with the legal availability of abortion, and to campaign against it.

Campaigning means doing what WPUK have done in the context of self ID, what all genuine campaign groups do: lobbying MPs, writing articles, seeking to influence political parties to change (or keep) the law, arguing on Twitter, holding meetings to discuss the issues, etc. These activities all focus on seeking to achieve a change in the law through influence, argument, consciousness raising and persuasion. They are utterly different from harassing individuals seeking to exercise a legal right.

I may disapprove of private schools, say. If I want to campaign about this, I should be joining a political party, seeking to influence its policies on private schools, writing to my MP, writing to the charity commission, trying to persuade my friends of the merit of my ideas, etc. I really shouldn’t be sitting outside my local private school abusing individual pupils and parents if they turn up. If I did that, it would be harassment, not political campaigning, and I should be arrested for it- because deliberately frightening and upsetting individuals, in an attempt to make them afraid to exercise their legal rights, is harassment and a legitimate exception to free speech.

Why is this difference between campaigning and harassment so little recognised in the media? Is it because the people being harassed in this case are .....women?

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Gingerkittykat · 03/11/2019 13:23

Have you got a link?

From what you have said I would be on the fence on this. We all have the right to peaceful protest, and if he was praying silently or with placards then it is not nice but legally ok. I know there is a pro choice group who hold counter events outside the hospital clinic which offers abortion, should they be banned too?

I think the braying mobs either outside the feminist meetings or abortion clinics are another thing completely.

CmdrCressidaDuck · 03/11/2019 13:29

It was not, in this case, legally OK. The clinic he was praying outside has a Public Spaces Protection Order which specifically prohibits public praying in the vicinity of the clinic. The case collapsed because the arresting police did not follow the proper procedure. He could have prayed down the road to his heart's content, just not where he could use it to harass and intimidate users of the Marie Stopes clinic.

I agree with you OP. Unfortunately the case has been picked up by the Christian right in the US who are lobbying with all their might to paint it as a violation of liberties, Christians are being systematically persecuted for prayer blah blah.

GrumpyGran8 · 04/11/2019 11:22

Since God can hear all prayers, it doesn't matter where you pray - you never see crowds of religious people praying outside A&E depts! It's obvious that Hacking was fully intending to get arrested, with the maximum publicity. That shows what he really cares about, and it's not women using the clinic.

PurpleFrames · 04/11/2019 11:26

You're right OP it's just an example of wider societal patriarchy where women are always at fault, even if killed by an abuser.

I personally am against abortion- so I won't ever have one. I am also against the state controlling the bodies of others so I don't harass those in some of the most difficult times of their lives outside clinics.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/11/2019 12:59

If this person was praying seriously, and actually believed in prayer, and was following the teachings of Jesus, he'd have stayed in his own room to do it.

He was there, in a place with a Public Spaces Protection Order to force his viewpoint on vulnerable women.

BarbaraStrozzi · 04/11/2019 13:25

I agree entirely OP.

If this is really about prayer, Mr Hacking would do well to reflect on the parable of the Pharisee and the publican.

If on the other hand it is actually about political protest, he should take himself off to Parliament Square and protest there.

Melroses · 04/11/2019 16:41

That shows what he really cares about, and it's not women using the clinic.

Or God.

Ummmmcake · 04/11/2019 20:32

If I lived near an abortion clinic I would spend a lot of my free time fundraising for orphanages and UNICEF among those who protest the clinics. They respect life ..... as long as it is unborn but screw the bodily autonomy of grown women.

traceyracer · 04/11/2019 21:50

Since God can hear all prayers, it doesn't matter where you pray

So why are worshippers expected to go to church on Sundays? Oh wait, because if worshippers stay at home the church can't ask them for money!

Babdoc · 04/11/2019 22:38

traceyracer, the reason we Christians go to church is to share communal worship, to learn theology from our minister via her sermon, to organise our charitable activities and fund raising for people in need, to enjoy singing beautiful hymns together and to provide friendship over tea and biscuits for lonely people in our community.
You have a very misinformed and cynical idea of what churches are for - have you tried actually going to one? I think you’d be pleasantly surprised!

Inebriati · 04/11/2019 23:03

''The PSPO states: ‘[people must not engage] in any act of approval/disapproval or attempted act of approval/disapproval, with respect to issues related to abortion services, by any means. This includes but is not limited to graphic, verbal or written means, prayer or counselling.’'
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/31/first-arrest-prosecution-praying-public-case-collapses-bungling/

In an interesting twist this has been framed as the anti abortion protesters being the victims of harassment.

''The hounding of pro-life protesters shatters the myth of 'tolerant' Britain''
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/02/hounding-pro-life-protesters-shatters-myth-tolerant-britain/

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