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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

7yo Trans Boy James Admits Mother TOLD Him He Was A Girl

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aliasundercover · 02/11/2019 22:29

This would never, ever, happen.

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Qcng · 02/11/2019 22:48
Sad There are no words. That poor boy.
AnyOldPrion · 02/11/2019 23:40

The father pasted videos all over the internet of him questioning the child and the child saying these things in response. I felt deeply uneasy as soon as I saw it. Not so sure this case is as straightforward as it’s being made out to be. Dad seems to be heavily into “boys things and girls things”. The mother, I believe, is a paediatrician and has allegedly taken advice from two other paediatricians, the first of whom was not a “gender specialist”.

So what might be happening is that the mother is going along with what appears to be current clinical best practice. We may have shifted to a point where that seems impossible to contemplate, but a few years ago, I can’t say it’s impossible that I would have done the same.

CharlieParley · 03/11/2019 02:43

Dad seems to be heavily into “boys things and girls things”. The mother, I believe, is a paediatrician and has allegedly taken advice from two other paediatricians, the first of whom was not a “gender specialist”.

Having read the actual judgement delivered by the judge in this case (who overruled the jury), the father is not into reinforcing sex stereotypes but prefered a watchful waiting approach, the mother wished to adopt an affirmative approach.

In the US this would put the child on a medical pathway in line with current practice, starting with puberty suppressing hormones from around 9 years old and cross-sex hormones from around 12 years of age.

The father has come under criticism for going to the media with this and the judge imposed a gag order on both parents until their twin boys are 18 in response. I agree with those who say that this shouldn't happen when children are involved in these type of custody battles. However, the father believed this was the only way to protect his son from being affirmed as a girl and eventually medically transitioned.

The same judge had previously given the mother the exclusive power to decide on medical treatment, but has now clearly changed her mind on that.

Neither parent was in any way abusive or harming the child - this was emphasised in the judgement where she awarded joint custody to both parents as of 2020.

So this was a disagreement between two parents who both believed they were acting in the best interests of the child. And the judge has now decreed that the child cannot be affirmed as a girl unless the father agrees and that no decision on medical treatment can be made without both parents agreeing. If they cannot do so, the judge also appointed a mediator who would seek to help them agree and who if that was impossible would then make the decision for the parents.

AnyOldPrion · 03/11/2019 07:25

The same judge had previously given the mother the exclusive power to decide on medical treatment, but has now clearly changed her mind on that.

Are there reasons given for the change? That both parents might have the child’s best interests at heart, but believed the right way forward was enormously different was something I felt might be a possibility, and it appears the judge now agrees.

Maybe I’m giving too much benefit of the doubt to the mother, but if the prevailing opinion in her profession is that trans is a real thing and she genuinely believed she was picking up signs, then she might still have been trying to do the right thing.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 03/11/2019 08:08

The underlying message very strongly says that nail polish, long hair and dresses are only for girls.
Neither side are GC and letting him be , they are just putting James in different boxes.

As three year olds, my boys had lovely locks and painted nails occasionally. Never did them any harm.

AnyOldPrion · 03/11/2019 08:16

That was my feeling Mangoes. That this situation has not occurred in a vacuum and may not be as simple as MbP or similar on the mother’s side.

SarahTancredi · 03/11/2019 09:55

I'm with you *mangos"
The pair of them need to leave that boy alone and just let him play with and do whatever he wants in stead of trying to trick him into "picking a side"

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