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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Your no BS guide to the Gender Recognition Act reforms - NOT

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stumbledin · 31/10/2019 20:27

Not sure what the readership of Cosmopolitan is but this article is such a biased, incorrect, Stonewall based description of what the act is about, it is almost a parody.

And it is only because of those naughty transphobic gender critical feminists, especially Fair Play for Women that have stopped the Government giving trans people the rights they deserve.

No information at all aboat the impact on women's rights.

Not that bothered about magazines like Cosmopolitan but it is another example of just extensive the trans capture is in different parts of society.

www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a29590439/gender-recognition-act/

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 31/10/2019 20:32

Who are Cosmo’s audience? What is it’s readership? If it is girls/young women then we should be concerned.

stumbledin · 31/10/2019 20:50

I sort of assumed it was predominantly women who are into fashion and appearance.

And yes we should be worried.

I did look but there didn't seem to be anywhere to comment.

I should have looked to see about how to contact them.

Even if you thought the proposed reforms of the GRA were a good idea to think you dont have to properly report on the arguements against them is just such a giveway that women's rights dont matter.

Okay have found this contact page:
www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/about/a7522/contact-cosmopolitan-uk-website/

And they have a complaints policy:

"We take all complaints about editorial content seriously and are committed to abiding by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (“IPSO”) rules and regulations and the Editors’ Code of Practice that IPSO enforces (the “Editors’ Code”)."

www.hearst.co.uk/hearst-magazines-uk-complaints-procedure/

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merrymouse · 31/10/2019 20:55

a law that seriously needs updating to enable trans and non-binary people to have their true gender legally recognised in a simpler, less dehumanising way.

What is a gender? Why does anyone have to have it recognised? How do you recognise true and false genders?

When we look at the countries topping the Rainbow Index, like Malta and Norway, there is one huge distinction. Their laws that allow trans people to have their true gender legally recognised are simple and streamlined.

Malta - the only country in the EU that prohibits abortion entirely - who cares about women's rights when you already don't care about women's rights?

Norway - cases already brought against people who have used self ID legislation for reasons that have nothing to do with being trans. filia.org.uk/filia2018/2018/11/3/traversing-no-ones-land-by-rosa-freedman.

“Non-binary people can't have their gender recognised under the current legislation,”

Again - why do we need to recognise gender, what is gender?

“It's expensive so it's not been something we've really looked at doing until other things are sorted, like getting moved out into our own place,”

It costs £140, roughly the same as a registry office wedding, a bit more than the cost of an adult passport, much less than the cost of applying for UK citizenship (£1000).

"But not having her gender legally recognised also comes with other concerns surrounding the safety of trans people. “If I get arrested am I going to be put into a men's prison with breasts and vulva? My hubby doesn't want bottom surgery, if he gets a GRC and gets arrested, would he be placed in a men’s prison with vulva?”

"But trans people have been able to legally access single-sex spaces (with a few exceptions) since the Equality Act was passed in 2010".

The two paragraphs above contradict each other.

it's a legal document done in a legal setting, and doing it fraudulently would be just that: fraud.

Please explain what gender is, and how it is possible to make a false claim about gender, and then could you also explain your belief that crime doesn't exist because nobody ever does something that is against the law.

It's never happened in any of the countries that have it.

Except when it has.

merrymouse · 31/10/2019 21:00

Who are Cosmo’s audience? What is it’s readership?

www.pressgazette.co.uk/womens-mags-abcs-now-and-cosmopolitan-see-biggest-circulation-decline-but-red-and-bella-post-growth/

Readership for magazines like Cosmopolitan has fallen sharply. Too much competition from free on-line content (e.g. Mumsnet).

TinselAngel · 31/10/2019 21:03

To save me reading it and getting angry, do they say anything about the spousal "veto"?

Unnnndeadcake · 31/10/2019 21:41

Dammit. Now I have to stop buying Cosmo. I have written to them and told them why. Ridiculous people!.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/10/2019 21:43

YABU - Cosmopolitan, sheesh 🙄 worra rag.

stumbledin · 31/10/2019 23:13

TinselAngel

I haven't re-read it, but in no part of the article did they say anything about anyone else except what trans people SHOULD have.

So nothing about children, schools, sports or anything about women at all.

Let alone spouses.

If the article had been for a campaign group its style would be just about okay, but for a news article claiming to explain the GRA it was an absolutely travesty.

But then main stream news channels aren't any better, so a fashion mag cant really be said to be failing in its journalistic standards! Shock

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CharlieParley · 31/10/2019 23:51

Chock full of errors, misrepresentations, quite possibly libellous statements and unsupported claims.

Not that it's a surprise.

Also interesting to note that because non-binary has so recently gained both in popularity and power within the trans community, the efforts previously expended on arguing anyone should be allowed to change their legal sex through self-determination to either sex now create a bit of a problem. Legal sex is a concept intrinsically linked to a binary. They will have to retool their campaign if they want to include recognition for non-binary identities in that.

And we've already seen how that played out on the census issue. FYI, as the census produces data on sex for data users, the proposed procedure for data sets arising from people choosing the non-binary option (which is of course useless for data users looking for sex) was to randomly designate each non-binary as either male or female.

As this reveals the non-binary option for the nonsensical notion it is in terms of a data collection on sex, this in turn weakened the overall TRA argument about the sex question.

Ereshkigal · 01/11/2019 00:23

They will have to retool their campaign if they want to include recognition for non-binary identities in that.

And I still can't imagine how they will retool it while keeping their promises about women's spaces being able to use the exemptions and claiming that "trans women" are actual women because ladybrain. Non binary ideology is at odds with old school trans ideology.

SD1978 · 01/11/2019 01:18

Can't decide what 'Liz' wants. Vaginas in men's prisons because her partner identifies as male, or should he be in a women's prison? I don't think they seem to know what they want. And non binary- since they don't fit into either category- do we need a third space/ prison/ bathrooms, or juts lump em in with women cause it's easier?.......

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