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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Glinner is asking why more don’t speak out

43 replies

AutumnRose1 · 30/10/2019 12:17

On Twitter

I’ll be away from MN a couple of days but I notice so far no one has said to him that we fear losing jobs, amongst other things.

I came off Twitter but thought others here might wish to reply.

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Destinysdaughter · 30/10/2019 21:22

Actually, there are a few men on Twitter who do talk about this and I am very grateful to.them. Interestingly, the threads on Twitter about Rachel McKinnon have prompted many men to talk about the unfairness about it. Guess it's cos the principle of fairness in sport is a big deal to them. Shame potential violence against women isn't....

hipsterfun · 30/10/2019 22:17

Glinner is privately wealthy and pretty much unassailable in his career with Father Ted under his belt.

He has children, and we’ve seen how doxx-happy the TRAs are. This is something any of us who are parents will fear equally.

BertrandRussell · 30/10/2019 22:19

Rose of Dawn says the same thing. Why isn’t the trans community speaking out?

BertrandRussell · 30/10/2019 22:21

Simon Fanshaw is speaking out- and getting stuck for it.

birdsdestiny · 30/10/2019 22:27

Glinner frequently refers to celebrities who he thought of as friends not speaking out. I imagine that is what he is talking about here. His irritation with these people is obvious. I don't think he is talking about women.
I am sure he can look after himself but I do worry about glinner, he has been doing this for a long time and puts up with an enormous amount of abuse, as does anyone who sticks their head above the parapet.

Goosefoot · 31/10/2019 02:05

Sometimes a question like that is also meant more as a way to get a discussion started, or to give a little prod to those who are hesitant but might want to say something.

I really think a huge issue for many is the fact that they will be called a bigot, without anything else on top of that. I have no job to lose, many of my friends and family think gender ideology is dumb or would love me anyway if they accept it, and I am pretty used to being the odd one out in terms of my ideas. But I find the idea of having to put up with being called a bigot or racist or homophobic really upsetting, and the idea of getting into a discussion at that level really upsetting. It's difficult to express how upsetting I find t.

It's similar to why I tend not to speak up publicly too often about other elements of identity politics that I think are really toxic.

WomensRightsAreContraversial · 31/10/2019 02:11

Because I fear for my job

Because inevitable death threats don't seem worth it

Because I would lose friends quickly

Childrenofthestones · 31/10/2019 06:09

It's very much about, as Scott Adams puts it, having fuck you money. The ability to not care what others say as you are fire proof. Not many are.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/10/2019 06:26

There's one person in the UK with that level of wealth who is rumoured to be GC and could make a difference. I wish she would do more than like the occasional tweet and then let her assistant laugh it off as a slip of the finger.

Gwynfluff · 31/10/2019 08:34

Women are disproportionately in public sector, caring and support roles where much of the policy takeover is playing itself out. It’s very risky to be too vocal.

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 12:04

Thank you for the replies

It was quite a catch all statement so I didn’t know if he was really unaware of our fears.

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FilthyBiscuit · 01/11/2019 12:18

I would absolutely lose my job.
I have already lost one friend. From what I can gather, a lot of others are fully on board with the trans ideology, and that includes lesbians.

DreadPirateLuna · 01/11/2019 14:37

I really appreciate what Glinner has done and his bravery in speaking out. However, he is in a better position than most in being financially secure and having a body of famous work behind him.

Gwynnfluff already pointed out the difficulties with the public sector and potential for job loss there. I think it's also a big issue in the arts, which are hard enough to break into without having a reputation as a "bigot" or troublemaker.

And that's not even getting into the death threats, including the threats against family members. Look at the hostility towards Megan Murphy.

IsadoraQuagmire · 01/11/2019 14:46

I say exactly what I think about it to everyone IRL, doesn't bother me in the slightest Grin

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 14:49

I would lose my job too

I don’t know if he meant the sort of people who can speak out, but that’s a small number.

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CranberriesChoccy · 01/11/2019 14:55

There are if course men who question the current narrative surrounding trans issues, but many of them will see it as not affecting them so why bother. Men's sports are not under threat as FTM trans would not have an advantage physically over biological males. They aren't being asked to share spaces with the opposite sex when it makes them uncomfortable.

I'm still baffled on other sites when people wonder why women have a problem with all the wokeness. Is it really not obvious?

AutumnRose1 · 01/11/2019 15:02

“ They aren't being asked to share spaces with the opposite sex when it makes them uncomfortable.”

Many women I know don’t get why it might makes some of us uncomfortable. I think there’s a crossover here with people not caring about privacy as well.

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OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 01/11/2019 15:04

I would absolutely lose my job.
I have already lost one friend.

Ditto to both of these. I use different pseudonyms on Twitter and FB and even on FB I don't post GC stuff. I do on Twitter because I keep my account absolutely separate to anyone in my real life.

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