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Excellent article on Rachel McKinnon

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NotAtMyAge · 30/10/2019 11:50

Louise Moody just shared this good and fair analysis by Madeleine Kearns. I agree so strongly with it.

www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/rachel-mckinnon-is-a-cheat-and-a-bully/

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ArcheryAnnie · 30/10/2019 11:53

McKinnon's latest is throwing a strop because a woman refused to put her arms around McKinnon. McKinnon called it "poor sportsmanship".

There's a name for male-bodied people who demand that women touch them, and shame them when they refuse to.

Qcng · 30/10/2019 11:55

It's a huge turnaround that these sort of articles are actually being published.
McKinnon is Peaking the planet.

boatyardblues · 30/10/2019 12:46

It’s a good article. The only part I would have tweaked is this section:

When a spokesperson from Fair Play for Women was invited by the BBC to discuss Navratilova’s comments, McKinnon wrote on Twitter: “I will not participate in a discussion panel that takes them seriously and gives them a platform.” The BBC subsequently disinvited them.

I would have finished it: ”The BBC subsequently disinvited the WPUK representative whilst continuing to give McKinnon a platform.” It would have hammered home the asymmetry and the bias of the mainstream media in this whole debate.

sarahjconnor · 30/10/2019 12:59

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Apollo440 · 30/10/2019 13:50

Quote from the article;

So, what’s this got to do with the culture at large? First, by pretending that McKinnon is not a man, we have allowed him to cheat at sports at the expense of his female competitors. Because McKinnon being a man is directly relevant to the argument that he should not compete against women, in calling him something other than a man, we obfuscate that argument — and all for the sake of a very recently invented set of blasphemy norms (e.g. “misgendering” and “deadnaming”) that don’t apply to us non-believers."

Exactly, your blasphemy laws don't apply to non believers. Happy to be polite where there is nothing to be lost by not doing so but we should rebel in all cases where it is being used to silence and disadvantage women.

If you have a problem with that quote correctly gendering McKinnon take it up with the source not Mumsnet unless you think it should only link to TRA approved sources (of course you do...)

ErrolTheDragon · 30/10/2019 13:58

This section seems relevant to Apollo's post:

This is precisely the well-meant, tragically naïve logic that has enabled a structure of lies and tyranny to be erected around us, a structure that most cannot opt out of without incurring an enormous social cost. It is a structure in which cheating and viciousness are rewarded while civility and truth-telling are punished.

TheShoesa · 30/10/2019 14:26

That is a great article.

CranberriesChoccy · 30/10/2019 14:52

I'm not entirely convinced that RMcK isn't just trolling the world here. The title of her thesis is a bit of a clue. Problem of course is that women athletes are being denied titles in the process.

I think the same logic the author applies to RMcK could also apply to Hannah Mouncy and the weightlifing one from NZ, can't recall the name atm.

AlexaAmbidextra · 30/10/2019 14:57

Brilliant article.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/10/2019 15:05

I think the same logic the author applies to RMcK could also apply to Hannah Mouncy and the weightlifing one from NZ, can't recall the name atm.

Afaik, Mouncey and Hubbard don't routinely indulge in grave dancing/DIAF twittering whilst calling themselves 'public intellectuals'. But apart from that, yeah.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 30/10/2019 15:05

What a breath of fresh air that article is.

I hope this kind of plain speech will become more common, now that media silence has been broken, and ordinary people have begun to become aware of what has been going on behind the scenes for so many years.

Would it have been possible a couple of years ago? I don't think so.

We all owe McKinnon a debt for bravely and persistently bringing the philosophy of transgenderism into the public eye.

Grimbles · 30/10/2019 21:31

For struggling, respectful souls, I’m happy to lend special courtesies (in fact, I frequently do). But for cheats and liars, for bullies and tyrants, for those who seek to use my words to propagate deceit and injustice? Oh, just drop it, sir — I’ll never call you “ma’am.”

Absolutely this!

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 30/10/2019 23:12

That was a really enjoyable read. So refreshing to read something honest and uninfected by woke politics. The comments seemed to be 100% supportive. Thank you for you honesty and courage, Louise Moody.

NotBadConsidering · 31/10/2019 01:32

Excellent article.

Childrenofthestones · 31/10/2019 06:00

59sarahjconnor said.......
'It's thrilling isn't it, when someone writes the truth and you read it. It makes me tingle and spark with excitement. Strange times."

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes an act of rebellion.

ivykaty44 · 31/10/2019 06:11

I do wonder if the very unpleasantness of this person will actually help woman get justice in sport - I do hope so

NotTonightHalloween · 31/10/2019 06:20

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Oblomov19 · 31/10/2019 06:26

I fear not Ivy.
Good article.

JellySlice · 31/10/2019 07:43

I do wonder if the very unpleasantness of this person will actually help woman get justice in sport

Think of another person, so bizarre they could be considered a performance artist demonstrating the need to protect women's sex-based rights: Jessica Yaniv. JY lost their case against the female cosmeticians, but not because the judge decided that women cannot be obliged to handle male genitals. JY lost the case purely because these women didn't have the correct training to wax male genitals. Had JY demanded the right to enter the women's homes for a leg-wax, then according to this judgement the women would not have had the right to refuse JY, no matter how much JY confused or frightened them, or how threatened they felt by JY, nor that their beliefs were different to JY's beliefs.

In a case about the conflict between trans' wishes and women's rights, a judge decided that women's boundaries are irrelevant.

I'm not convinced that RMcK's conflict between trans' wishes and women's rights will fare any differently. SadAngry

ivykaty44 · 31/10/2019 18:26

word not competing as a collective work, how can anyone compete if there isn’t any other competitors, yes they lose out but they are anyway

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