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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there a list of words banned on mumsnet?

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WitchStitch · 30/10/2019 07:52

I just had a post deleted for using the term 'pe*k trans'. I didn't know it was banned.

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CherieBabySpliffUp · 30/10/2019 07:55

Did MNHQ tell you that was why it was deleted?? Wow! I've seen plenty of threads with that term Hmm

Newsheet · 30/10/2019 07:56

Compromise and forgive.

Not sure about any others Smile

OneTerrificMouse · 30/10/2019 08:21

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/10/2019 08:47

The main guidelines are here:

www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

And the trans special rules are here:

www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

The phrase 'peak trans' isn't mentioned.

I can only assume that there was something about your post which the mod who handled it interpreted as in some way goady or inflammatory. A lot of this is about context and 'tone' - which is good in many ways but can lead to unexpected deletions. In some cases, MNHQ will review the decision - they know it's not an exact science making judgement calls.

If you're sure it was specifically this phrase which was the issue, then ask MNHQ if they can take a second look.

WitchStitch · 30/10/2019 09:33

It was the thread about trans actors playing non trans roles.
I misread the email, it's my whole sentence rather than the actual term.

Is there a list of words banned on mumsnet?
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WitchStitch · 30/10/2019 09:33

Seems harsh though and I thought the rest of my post made good points, but then, I would.

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AmIThough · 30/10/2019 09:39

I guess that could be seen as goady

ClosdesMouches · 30/10/2019 10:08

"Yawn" and "bless" when used on FWR. Both are fine when used in any other topic.
Also random words decided on a whim by the mods.

Datun · 30/10/2019 10:21

I think there is an opinion that the term peak trans is uncivil to trans people in general.

It appears, to me, that a lot of what we talk about on here is specific to transactivism, not transgenderism. And that TRAs, with sleight of hand, will claim it's unfair to transgenderism.

It's a little moot, because the concept, i.e. the public's general dissatisfaction and impatience with extreme gender ideology, doesn't go away, whatever you call it.

But, it's worth making it clear that you are referring to extreme transactivism, not trans people in general.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 30/10/2019 10:27

I've only had posts deleted for mentioning the 1930s.

Other historical periods are open to debate but not that particular decade. Apparently.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 30/10/2019 11:03

When I use the expression peak trans I should maybe put peak trans ideology. I am never referring to individuals, only to the claims made by TRAs.

It refers to the often startling moment when having uncritically gone along with the whole "born in the wrong body" thing (as a tolerant, liberal person would) you have a sudden WTF reaction and realize that it's not what you thought at all.

For example my peak trans moment was the Cotton Ceiling. I stumbled upon it, was horrified and then I started to question the whole ideology and its claims.

And the trouble with questioning transgender ideology is that once you start questioning the whole thing comes apart in your hands. If you analyse it there's no coherence, no structure.

For example, to quote from an excellent post on another FWR thread today, talking about men who identify as women in women's spaces:

at what objective, concrete, irrefutable point does a male who 'identifies as female' come out of the high risk class of 'male' and into the low risk class of 'female'?

I've never seen this answered. Or many other perfectly reasonable questions. Like if TWAW then how are you defining woman?

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 30/10/2019 14:54

at what objective, concrete, irrefutable point does a male who 'identifies as female' come out of the high risk class of 'male' and into the low risk class of 'female'?

Thank you for this Prawn - I was struggling with wording an email and this is perfect.

Sexnotgender · 30/10/2019 14:54

You're also not allowed to use the 🍆 emoji😏

TheQueef · 30/10/2019 14:56

I know!
Thighing.
I always get deleted for that.

MissLawls · 30/10/2019 16:56

I do worry about saying the wrong thing here. I try to be careful and have read the rules. Nice they send an email though and you only get post deleted, you're not banned!

TheQueef · 30/10/2019 16:59

You can be banned, or a forced cool down. Sad

EmpressLesbianInChair · 30/10/2019 17:01

For example my peak trans moment was the Cotton Ceiling. I stumbled upon it, was horrified and then I started to question the whole ideology and its claims.

Mine was Tara Hudson being allowed to move to a female prison.

MissLawls · 30/10/2019 17:06

I honestly can't remember my PT moment. But I have never subscribed to the view that a man can ever know what it's like to be a woman. You have to be born a woman, raised a woman, lived your life being spokent down to and expected to pick up and take care of others, whether you have kids or not. I have no idea what it's like to be a man. None. Only what I'm told but I can't ever know it. It's not a question of not believing that you can't change sex; it's scientifically illiterate to say that you can. And when we censor people for stating scientific fact, well, where do we go next? What else can be dismissed as fact and replaced with feeling?

Sex is in our bones, it's in our DNA. It just is. Gender presentation and feelings are quite different and some may feel they were born into the wrong sex which must be hell. I can't imagine that either. But you can't change sex

ErrolTheDragon · 30/10/2019 17:24

It's more of a ridge walk than a peak, tbh. You know, where you get up to a new viewpoint and find there's another ahead, and another....

FannyCann · 30/10/2019 18:46

So your deletion was just a deletion?
When do they decide it is a strike?

As in the added warning that was attached to a deletion I had?

"As noted in our guidelines, we've introduced a three strikes system whereby users deleted more than three times in any rolling six week period will have their membership automatically suspended and we’ll then take a view as to whether they will have membership reinstated."

Datun · 30/10/2019 18:49

I've only had posts deleted for mentioning the 1930s.

That's really made me laugh out loud.

donquixotedelamancha · 30/10/2019 19:11

Is there a list of words banned on mumsnet?

I asked this question in a thread on site stuff a while back, if anyone cares to search. The answer was no, there is no banned word list.

Datun · 31/10/2019 07:23

The answer was no, there is no banned word list.

Well I suppose technically, that's right. For instance, I can say cis, TERF, TIM. And that sentence won't be banned.

But I can't start referring to transwomen in general as TIMS. And if someone comes on here and calls us TERFS, that will be deleted. Likewise if they refer to people as cis. The people here said it was insulting. And HQ agreed.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 31/10/2019 20:06

I've only had posts deleted for mentioning the 1930s.

That's really made me laugh out loud.

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Karabair · 31/10/2019 20:42

I also had a post deleted for using the exact same phrase. In the context (I can't remember the context now) it was not deemed conducive to civil debate.

I've been trying hard not to break the rules, but it seems like it's quite easy to say the wrong thing.

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