Multiple Sex Discussion

[HouseOfGoldandBones]

I have had a few many discussions on Twitter regarding sex v gender.

I had a discussion with a person yesterday where I said that I didn't care how anyone identified, however single sex spaces should be protected, and the person then stated that sex wasn't binary & I must accept this.

You can, I'm sure, imagine my response to this, but they just came with these bizarre web links.

My response is usually "in animals & humans, there are 2 sexes (intersex is a condition, not a sex class), and I am not prepared to debate scientific fact with you.

Is there a better response I can use? (essentially a copy & paste)

How do they explain that trans men get pregnant but trans women never do?

Isn't that proof that biology trumps feelz?

The clownfish thread by FondOfBeetles is my favourite twitter thread. She is awesome.

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1133120326844506112?s=19

Apparently by that logic infertile women aren't female. Someone did have that discussion.

FondOfBeetles' response:

"I would always qualify that ‘makes large gametes’ covers actual, potential, historical or broken."

What makes you think that, HouseOfGoldandBones?

I don't follow your reasoning.

Sorry, what makes me think what @Barracker ?

Perfect @nellodee I'll use that too

"Apparently by that logic infertile women aren't female."

I realise now you were probably stating someone else's conclusion rather than your own. But I wondered which premise that conclusion was based upon. Your post followed directly after the clownfish thread, but the conclusion doesn't logically follow from it.

If you were choosing someone to have a baby with (biologically) you'd be pretty sure which sex never to choose, regardless of the chance that an individual of the opposite sex may turn out to be infertile.

"Apparently by that logic infertile women aren't female."

Gawd, yes I think I read that fucktwit thread! IIRC, he was basing it on a dictionary definition and sticking very very rigidly to it. And since the defective not-detailed-enough online dictionary he was using said females ovulated, he deduced that anyone who did not ovulate was therefore not female and that included prepubescent girls, post-menopausal women and infertile women - none, in his eyes, met the definition of female.

Oh how I laughed.

Many transmen ovulate. Do they fit the definition of female?

@Barracker That's right, it was the person I was discussing it with's conclusion. Not mine. I'm very clear what a female human being is

@WhereYouLeftIt It started to hurt my head! And there's just no arguing with stupid

Many transmen ovulate. Do they fit the definition of female?

Yes. Adding "man" to a description of someone doesn't change their sex.

God this gets tedious.

Yup. Even the transmen who don't ovulate are female. Can't be a transman if you're not female, can you?

infertile women aren't female

A bicycle without wheels is still a bicycle.