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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Festival of Consent that's just the opposite.

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/10/2019 06:15

This was shared in a particularly woke group I'm in.

Attendees will be treated to a show about 'bad boundaries', another that will 'rub up against your boundaries and invite you to say yes', and one whose premise ends with 'Why the hell is she naked in this room full of strangers?'

It appears to be be run by someone who had a good old rant on Womens Day about mean feminists, complaining that feminist rhetoric "makes feminism about rescuing people with vaginas from a perceived threat posed by people with penises"

I'm just gobsmacked tbh. There's blatant and then there's this.

irregulararts.com/irregularities/reflections-on-international-womens-day-2019/

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/festival-of-consent-international-day-of-consent-idoconsent-tickets-75280966397

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JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/10/2019 17:38

FWIW, I have no issue with polyamory as long as it is open and honestly done, and boundaries are respected. I think that's something different.

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Melroses · 26/10/2019 18:00

This is hiding in plain sight rape culture bullshit and should not be getting public funding

I understand that for a lot of public funding, you just have to have the know-how of how to fill in the forms the right way. A lot of worthy projects cannot do this, and have to get people in to help them. So if you know the right way to go about it, you can get money, and no one is going to bother unless there is a lot of specific well presented objection.

HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 26/10/2019 18:06

Leeds.

Not surprised.

Did a good news story with regard to women and children ever come from there?

Goosefoot · 26/10/2019 18:20

And to call an event supposedly about consent 'sex positive' when this is a term sometimes used to shame women who say no, is utterly disgusting.

While I have zero time for the views of the sex positive movement, I think from the POV of those who use it, it describes a POV that they really hold, it's not just something they see as denigrating others.

WrathofSIxFootSIxElfKlop · 26/10/2019 18:21

if you know the right way to go about it, you can get money

I thought there were checks and regulations about this sort of thing.
I think I must be mistaken.

Now, about the dentists.

That's very specific, could there be a dentist or two participating in this?

I wouldn't want to visit a dentist if he participated in this stuff.

Pota2 · 26/10/2019 18:28

Jeez who is this numbskull? I like how she says that 70,000 women (presumably the number of prostitutes in the country or something) all consent you selling sex. How the fuck would she know? So many survivors have said they were coerced into it.

That this sort of shit is what passes as feminism these days is truly beyond depressing.

Fallingirl · 26/10/2019 18:54

It is the same logic as the paper discussed in this thread. -that feminists, not rapists, make rape a problem, by constructing the category of victim.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3715978-Dr-Stock-thread-Currently-reading-possibly-wrongest-paper-Ive-read-in-feminist-philosophy-yet

Pota2 · 26/10/2019 19:31

I can only conclude that Jenny has a screw loose. I see so many women who display internalised misogyny. I don’t know if they’re wanting a medal for being a cool girl and not like those boring ugly radfems or what the hell it is, but it’s really annoying. I guess that sort of thing has always existed though. Women falling over themselves to claim they aren’t feminists.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 26/10/2019 20:36

Gosh. That blog sure does read like a list of 'stupid stuff I believe 'cos it's woke'.

I liked this - the International Olympic Committee’s criteria for who can compete as a man or as a woman is working fine – there’s not one scrap of evidence in the years it’s been working fine to suggest that the criteria for allowing trans women to compete in women’s events puts other women at a disadvantage.

Not one scrap people. Not one.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 26/10/2019 20:53

Well, to be fair, a mountain and a scrap are different, and in this case it's rather more the former than the latter.

WrathofSIxFootSIxElfKlop · 26/10/2019 21:08

TheProdigalKittens
Yes, you're dead right there.

I think the IOC meant to say there is not a scrap of evidence, because the huge weight of evidence that proves biology is definitely not scrap-sized.

Iyswim

pigsknickers · 26/10/2019 21:15

Jenny is female and she's driven a lot of women away from Shipley FZ (who have done some awesome stuff in the past) with her woke nonsense and aggressive attacks on gender critical group members. There was some great stuff happening in and around Shipley a few years ago but it seems to have been taken over by queer theory sex positive fanatics.

Pota2 · 26/10/2019 21:17

She sounds awful

AnyOldPrion · 26/10/2019 22:00

Here’s a Twitter photo. Self-describes as a “drag diva” whatever that may be.

The Festival of Consent that's just the opposite.
JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/10/2019 22:24

While I have zero time for the views of the sex positive movement, I think from the POV of those who use it, it describes a POV that they really hold, it's not just something they see as denigrating others.
I see where they're coming from and don't have much of an issue with people self-describing as such.
I think though that it is something that some men use in a way to try make their demands more palatable in a 'oh, I thought you'd be fine with me doing X. I thought you were sex positive' kind of way. It feels like the other side of the coin to frigid.

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Sophsy · 26/10/2019 22:53

I just want to say that the fact that SFZ has been quiet recently is nothing to do with Jenny. She is one of the founding members and the group has definitely not been ‘taken over’ by sex positive fanatics.

We have been quiet since the election as we spent an awful lot of energy and time arranging hustings and challenging Philip Davies, and with Brexit uncertainty and the near constant threat/promise of an election we have basically been burnt out.

As the organising team, we support Jenny wholeheartedly and your attacks on her have been cruel and unnecessary. We are a team of 10 people with busy lives and is anyone local has the energy to start an awesome event then please let us know! We have been continuing to hold our MP to account for his words and actions, and will carry on doing so, even we aren’t doing it loudly or in public.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 26/10/2019 23:09

we support Jenny wholeheartedly

You ok with Jenny 'rubbing up against your boundaries'?

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 27/10/2019 06:04

As the organising team, we support Jenny wholeheartedly and your attacks on her have been cruel and unnecessary.

Genuine criticism is not an attack. Like many women on this board, I am a rape survivor, and I feel very strongly about the need for for consent culture to become normalised. Joking about pushing boundaries is not it.
This is a public event, seemingly funded with public money, which references boundaries as being bad or rubbed up against twice in the description.
Add in the comments about fear of sexual violence as being just a 'perceived' threat and a conversation is very necessary.
I don't know Jenny at all and would certainly condemn any personal attacks on her, but this event is misjudged at best and is definitely worthy of discussion on a feminism forum.

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Karabair · 27/10/2019 07:52

It’s distressing that trans has put women in the position of being suspected of being trans themselves because of a poor photo or something.

Jenny is being given public money to spread ideas like radical feminists are supporting men raping women and girls because we name what they do and challenge it. Do you support her in that Sophsy?

Pota2 · 27/10/2019 08:27

I admire you trying to stick up for her Sophsy but one of the biggest issues that is coming out now is the massive scale of sexual assault on women by men. And Jenny’s solution seems to be ‘stop being a victim and broaden your boundaries’. I struggle to see how that isn’t completely fucked up and playing right into the hands of the patriarchy. The men would love it if women lowered their boundaries even more. It would be for their benefit, not the women’s. I just find it a bit odd that someone who calls themselves a feminist thinks that this is how we need to address that women are raped, murdered and assaulted by men on a daily basis, globally. Would Jenny tell women in the third world (who have it undoubtedly worse than women here) to lower their boundaries too?

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