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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Liberal Mom Forces Son to be Transgender? - The Younger Case

18 replies

vickyjgo · 25/10/2019 21:14

Really interesting analysis of coverage of the case of a mother and father in conflict over their trans child.
Liberal Mom Forces Son to be Transgender? - The Younger Case
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HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 25/10/2019 21:26

Liberal mom forces...

I suppose Americans have a slightly different definition of the word 'liberal'?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 25/10/2019 21:46

Liberal is one of the many words that apparently now means the opposite of what it means.

Like 'literally' now means 'not in reality', 'liberal' now seemingly means 'authoritarian'.

thirdfiddle · 25/10/2019 22:30

Not atypical for trans identifying children. Dad trying to enforce sex stereotypes, very rigid views of what clothes which sex must wear from both parents. Dad playing the "Christian right" corner of the triangle, "change your personality to match your sex", Mum playing the "gender ideology" corner, "change your sex to match your personality". No real liberals in the situation.

bionicnemonic · 25/10/2019 22:46

I saw two photos of the child. One with dad, child wearing a sweater with a religious symbol. Other photo with mum, child wearing a dress.
Struck me as a child potentially with little choice/being manipulated/persuaded/brainwashed whichever way they turned. Poor child.

GirlDownUnder · 26/10/2019 00:45

Vicky, I’m not sure what you’re hoping to get from this discussion when you view FWR as:

“... it takes 2 clicks to get from the Mumsnet home page to what they call the "Women's Rights" forum.. and you are thrown down the rabbit hole of transgender hate.

And upload a 1:20 video of page 1 and 2 of this forum tagging MumsnetTowers and Justine_Roberts just to upbraid them.

mobile.twitter.com/vickyjane64/status/1187655854654447618

If you are here for a discussion, tell us what you found “really interesting” about that analysis.

I’m sure you can understand why this could look like an OP designed to garner screen shots.

AnyOldPrion · 26/10/2019 06:50

Haven’t watched the whole video, but I felt troubled as soon as I saw the father had released a video that was doing the rounds on Twitter.

I thought then that he was not the innocent parent he’s been made out to be. Who puts a propaganda video of their child out for all the world to see?

Sounds like the biggest problem here is that the medical profession is down the rabbit hole, and instead of realising this is a child confused and damaged by his parents’ strong and conflicting attitudes and trying to help him, they have given a diagnosis of GD, which nowadays is not necessarily treated with psychiatric help, but instead carries the risk of creating a lifetime of medical treatment.

nauticant · 26/10/2019 07:49

I'd imagine many on here would choose not to be on the father's side, and not to be on the mother's side, but instead would choose to be on the side of the child. Which involve objective high quality medical assessment instead of using the child as a counter in an ideological struggle.

HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 26/10/2019 08:43

No screenshots here.

Move along now...

ChattyLion · 26/10/2019 08:58

Professional help and support is what is needed for the child, not least around living in a very high conflict situation between the parents which is very damaging to children.

GirlDownUnder · 26/10/2019 13:46

Professional help and support is what is needed for the child, not least around living in a very high conflict situation between the parents which is very damaging to children.

This. And for both children. I feel so sorry for them, and the take-away message they’re probably receiving is that being a boy is ‘bad’.

GrumpyHoonMain · 26/10/2019 13:49

The child needs to be taken away from both parents

HorseWithNoFucksToGive · 26/10/2019 14:38

If you are here for a discussion, tell us what you found “really interesting” about that analysis

Yeah, come on OP? You must have something to contribute or why would you start this thread?

NotTerfNorCis · 26/10/2019 14:45

I guess the clue as to the OP's leanings was in referring to a 'trans child'. A bit like the proverbial 'vegan cat'.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 26/10/2019 14:54

Oh, did the OP not come back?

Shock

Some people just do not have the courage of their convictions do they?

And that poor bloody child. I can’t believe the medical community are facilitating irreversible physical changes Sad

clitherow · 26/10/2019 15:11

This is a very poorly argued analysis..

The presenter seems to think that because a paediatrician and a child psychologist diagnosed gender dysphoria when the child was 5 then this must be accurate.

On this board, the wholesale capitulation of whole professions to transgender ideology, that is not supported by scientific evidence, is well recognised and called regulatory capture.

See the following presentation for an analysis that is actually accurate regarding the wholesale capture of paediatrics in the US.

It is quite simply not possible to diagnose dysphoria at such a young age when the reasoning faculties have not yet been established and all children are still testing the boundaries between fantasy and reality.

The analysis attempts to say that the mother is falsely being accused of planning hormone treatment for her son. This is in practice not the case. She and the therapists in this case are following a policy of affirming the so-called gender identity rather than a policy of 'wait and see'. So it is feared that this is more likely to lead to the prescription of puberty blockers in the same way that the prescription of puberty blockers has been shown to be very likely to lead to the prescription of cross sex hormones.

This analysis attempts to show the father in a poor light. The transcripts show the opposite. It is quite clear that his every word is held up to scrutiny. It is unlikely that he is perfect but he finds himself in an extraordinary situation which could lead to his son being sterilised and physically mutilated all because of 'choices' that he made before he was five years old. All of those people who liken this to being brought up in an Orthodox family should go and say this in Russia and Greece - you are spouting abject nonsense.

The fact that the father has no girls clothes at his house it is a perfectly sensible approach. He is trying to give his son the sense of what a healthy male identity might be like - which is entirely absent everywhere else in his life. A few years from now James might be saying to his dad, 'thanks for sticking with me while I was really confused'. He is being given options that, for instance, David Reimer never had. If I was his dad this would be a lot more important ot me than being called 'transphobic' or a religious zealot by a bunch of ignorant strangers.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/10/2019 16:20

Why not let the child dress however they want, play with whatever they want, stop forming adult judgements about what this all means to adults and what they need to do to the child about it and just let the child have it's childhood in peace?

clitherow · 26/10/2019 17:03

Why not let the child dress however they want, play with whatever they want, stop forming adult judgements about what this all means to adults and what they need to do to the child about it and just let the child have it's childhood in peace?

Well isn't that the whole point? If a 3-year-old boy wants to wear a dress, he should be able to do so without attracting a bloody diagnosis of gender dysphoria by the time he is 5. By the time he is 7, we're in the realms of damage limitation.

TeiTetua · 26/10/2019 19:54

It was on the BBC site just the other day:
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50172907

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