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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

poor boy/girl/boy detransition situation

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TruthOnTrial · 24/10/2019 18:20

m.youtube.com/watch?v=27qjn0v4Av4

I've just watched this.

The boy was suicidal, his mother got oestrogen for him, bypassing our laws, and its permanently destroyed his sexual development, but what was she to do?

He now realises he doesn't want to be a girl, but will have to have surgery to remove thtbreasts that developed

Oh what a mess. Very brave to document it like this.

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TruthOnTrial · 24/10/2019 20:30

I hope I haven't duplicated here. I will ask for it to be removed if its already in a thread.

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ThreeLittleDinosaursROAR · 24/10/2019 20:48

They told him he was transgender, diagnosed it! A confused child with gender dysphoria. What this child needed was either therapy to work through it or to let it pass with time with family support if necessary. Reassuring him it's okay for boys to like this and that. Diagnosing him with being transgender is so outrageous, the poor boy never related to the boy/man gender stereotype, that's all. We need to keep fighting against gender stereotypes, this proves the damage they cause! Puberty is difficult enough without all this. The mother should've taken to professionals and tried to have him sectioned before giving him these drugs. I can understand she was scared he would kill himself but it was obviously not the right decision. She should've explored that avenue first.
That child is going to be scarred for life, literally and metaphorically.

TruthOnTrial · 24/10/2019 21:28

Oh its so shocking

Its the first time I've seen what suffering a mother and son have experienced, and how devastating it is on the childs life.

Yes, he needed serious help. They both needed professional help.

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Wheat2Harvest · 24/10/2019 21:33

When I was a child I was what was known then as a 'tomboy' and often wished that I had been born a boy. It was nothing more than a passing phase and I grew up into a straight woman who is happy being female.

Now I suspect I would be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and all that goes with it. Confused

TruthOnTrial · 24/10/2019 21:42

Its always been a confusing time, adolescence, but you went through it without interference into your sexuality and challenge to your identity.

Apart from harmful gender stereotypes!!

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Michelleoftheresistance · 24/10/2019 22:09

If this family had had access to high quality, regular and in depth mental health support, a crisis team, fast appointments and ongoing programmes to help, would the child have been suicidal, and would the mum have become desperate enough to have medicated her child like this?

So much of this crisis is underpinned by awful mental health support and a total lack of inquiry into why suddenly we've got so many kids, teenagers and young adults experiencing such severe mental health issues.

stucknoue · 24/10/2019 22:19

The issue is that the parent bought the oestrogen, it wasn't prescribed by his drs. I don't think any young person should be allowed to transition irreversibly until 18

Tigresswoods · 24/10/2019 22:27

@Wheat2Harvest I could have written your exact post!

hipsterfun · 24/10/2019 22:38

So the mother has moved him to London for ‘a fresh start’, and a documentary seemed like a good plan, just before he starts school?

TruthOnTrial · 25/10/2019 15:57

I for one am glad she has released this, her son is older now and is detransitioning, as are so many, a growing number I believe when they start to come out the other side of puberty.

It can't be as hard as what he's already suffered, can it?

It's brave of her in many ways, brave of them both, as it doesn't show her as perfect, she was led by this crazy tide of lies and scared of her child killing himself.

I sincerely hope they have funds and recourse to good quality support now, for them both.

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TruthOnTrial · 25/10/2019 15:58

As Michelle ^ was saying.

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Gingerkittykat · 26/10/2019 07:33

Why has the mother not been charged with child abuse for illegally drugging her child?

Now she can buy him breast removal in Korea, looks like if you have money you can completely bypass ethics.

Will he now go through male sexual development or has that chance gone forever?

Bluerussian · 26/10/2019 07:52

TruthonTrial, I agree.

oohnicevase · 26/10/2019 08:24

I watched a documentary about a woman in her 40s who said she felt the same and had she been born today she would have been diagnosed with body dysphoria ../ dysmorphia .. I felt the same , when I was around 6-9 I was such a tomboy and wanted to be called a boy's name etc and everyone in my family just went along with it .. I think if I had have known it was possible to change gender I may have gone down that path .. as it was as I hit puberty I turned into a very girly young woman ... I actually find it shocking how many people I know that are changing their gender at the moment ..

SarahConnorFem · 26/10/2019 09:45

Goodness how awful. On so many levels. Also The production value was quite spoof like, that presenter, I half expected Chris Norris to appear!

But this proves that they are on ONE path when they diagnose it. Nobody wants to listen to the expert who says they'll likely grow out of it after puberty. Why won't they listen?

I Hope lots of young people on the cusp of affirmation treatment see this. And their parents. 🤞

TruthOnTrial · 26/10/2019 11:18

I think it's worth sharing to as many as possible.

Many don't realise the damage being done every day to our young dc, and its not just the permanent irreversible damage to their sexual development, but their minds and emotional well-being too. Who knows how permanent that it.

Sex brain changes.

From what I've seen there is no medical research to tell us the extent of the harm these dc are suffering and the long-term implications.

I mean its a risk taking oestrogens if you're male, and same for females taking testosterone.

Its very different from say a woman having to take hrt (as a replacement for hormones lost through loss of ovaries).

This is removal of the male hormones on an xy body, and introduction of alien hormones.

Will that child ever sexually mature?

Will any of these children ever sexually mature or remain as children for the rest of their lives? Stuck between the sexes.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 26/10/2019 12:04

If you interrupt puberty you interrupt vital brain maturation. Left to develop naturally the overwhelming majority of kids with GID desist after puberty. It's no coincidence that the kids on blockers almost all go on to cross sex hormones. They haven't had a chance to grow out of it.

I noticed that the mother said she'd always known her son was different as he'd dressed as a girl aged three. Must inform my adult son who twirled round the kitchen dressed in nothing but a feather boa and sparkly shoes at the same age.

But seriously it's often parents with very fixed ideas about gender who decide their DC are trans.

TruthOnTrial · 09/11/2019 15:54

When you see a group of young children out interacting with the countryside it gets harder to lay sterotypes on them.

The closer you get to commercialism the worse it gets it seems. The toys, the dressing, the parties

It's very worrying the destruction of young peoples sexuality, brain function, and fertility, long term.

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BouquetOfRoses · 09/11/2019 18:50

Poor child. He reached out for help and instead of being guided he was given drugs.

The part I don't understand is "his Mum's oestrogen medication"? So has she given him her pill/HRT? Reading the comments I'm not sure if I misunderstood it and she took out medication in her name to get around him being too young?

TruthOnTrial · 09/11/2019 23:02

I wasn't quite sure either, she wasn't clear in the video I recall, but that she gave him her oestrogen.

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WomanBornNotWorn · 10/11/2019 08:21

Parents terrified by self harm threats are being told by mermaids to support & affirm & go along with it.

Any suggestion children need helping to come to terms with the reality of their sex and how they can live how they like within that biological truth is met with screams of 'conversion therapy!! BAD THING!!'

Longtalljosie · 10/11/2019 08:27

I think the thing women need to shout about is that rejecting your femininity in your tween years is utterly normal. It’s a rejection of what’s happening / about to happen to your body (you don’t want a boys body, you just want your body to stay as it is, you don’t want boobs or periods!) and also a growing realisation that boys have wider and less restricted options. We’ll have difficulty getting this accepted but it’s true - it’s the beginnings of an understanding of sexism in society which means girls reject what it is to be girls.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/11/2019 08:37

All this "I knew my child was different because (lists very common childhood behavior) stuff sets my teeth on edge. Little boys wanting to dress up in sparkles and tiaras is normal. Little girls wanting to play with trucks is normal. In most cases those same kids will grow up to be mostly gender conforming, in some they want, but it's not a bloody crisis requiring intervention, it's just kids being imaginative and playful.

Babdoc · 10/11/2019 08:56

When my DD was young, she adored Thomas the Tank Engine, hated dolls, lived in trousers and all her friends were boys.
At high school she got straight A’s in maths, physics and computing, and did a maths degree at uni.
She is autistic and a feminist, living happily with her male partner of five years.
Had she been born twenty years later, there would have been horrific social pressure to label her trans, sterilise her with male hormones and mutilate her body.
I sincerely hope this gruesome modern fashion for rigid sex role stereotyping, and damaging children, quickly passes before more lives are ruined.

TruthOnTrial · 10/11/2019 23:18

A generation of lives are at risk here, a generation of children

Bloody awful

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