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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Outed myself as Gender-Critical on FB.

25 replies

WhineUp · 22/10/2019 17:35

Today is a BIG DAY for me.

I've been keeping a very low profile in real life. Rarely posted anything GC where I could be identified.

Today, I got involved in a discussion on Trans in female sports on a local politics FB page.

I'm up against a female academic from a nearby University, who is sadly knee-deep in trans ideology, but I'm fighting hard. Also losing my ability to stay civil and my inner condescending bitch is coming out.

I'm proud of myself. And it looks like I have quite a lot of support too, from other posters.

A big day for me indeed. :)

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MrsSnippyPants · 22/10/2019 17:40

Flowers Gin Good for you! It does get a bit easier. I am currently arguing with a wokebro on the same subject on a friend's page. I doubt he will change his mind, but I do it for the benefit of the lurkers (and I have found a couple of new friends because of it!)

midcenturylegs · 22/10/2019 17:45

Awesome @WhineUp.
You're more gutsy than I am but equally I know I've a lot more reading and thinking to do before I can provide a lucid argument.
Well done to you but stay safe too!

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/10/2019 17:50

It continues to astonish me how anyone can take the line that transwomen should be allowed to compete in women's sport.

And yet - here we are.

beckyvardy · 22/10/2019 17:52

Jus to be clear can transwomen now complete in any women's sports?

NotTerfNorCis · 22/10/2019 17:54

Good for you! What on earth is that academic thinking? If she thinks men should be allowed in women's sports, does she think all categories should be based on identity, not physical reality?

Karabair · 22/10/2019 18:18

It's hard to argue with stupid, particularly academic stupid.

Great that you're getting support. Well done!

WomanBornNotWorn · 22/10/2019 19:10

Congratulations! I wonder if I'll ever be brave enough.

Twunk · 22/10/2019 19:33

I started posting about this on FB about 2.5 years ago. I have so many people agreeing with me now it’s really heartening - not feminists, just regular friends and family who have had their eyes opened. I am unapologetically pro women and girls and people can see that my issue is with queer theory and identity politics, which always sounds batshit crazy when you explain it to people!

Campervan69 · 22/10/2019 19:50

I've had proper engagement today as well. The sports issue seems to be resonating with a lot of sporty women and men with daughters.

SarahConnorFem · 22/10/2019 20:08

Hey @WhineUp well done, very brave.

I've done about 3 GC posts in the last few weeks. Mainly about the language around being a WOMAN changing and I'm not accepting it - mostly tumbleweed on that one, then the Janice Turner Times Story about The Cult of Gender ID being harmful to children - Nothing on that, no abuse or support, and finally I shared the Times (or Telegraph?) detransition Story with "this is child abuse, the Jimmy Saville Story will have nothing on this, those poor misled mutilated young people" etc.

A couple of females commented, one turned out to be a Rad Fem and stated a few gruesome facts which I hope lots of people read, and only a gay male friend "had a go" at me, suggesting no good would come of posting that story, what was I thinking, as a "cishet" (first time someone has called me that!!) it's none of my business. Not my body or my child. It was typically a male telling a female not to be quiet!! 😠

I told him as a woman and mother it was my business. But apart from that, silence. No other abuse either. I think I got off lightly.

And lots of liberal lefty people I know on Facebook haven't unfriended me so, maybe I can do more. Not sure.

We shall see...

CigarsofthePharoahs · 22/10/2019 20:12

I've been sharing a few things on FB. I've either had no response at all or some of the most unlikely people commenting positively and sharing.
I suspect there are a lot of people who just don't feel confident to react publicly but are secretly GC.

OdeToDiazepam · 22/10/2019 20:14

I've been getting braver too

MrsSnippyPants · 22/10/2019 22:26

Don’t give up. It has taken me two years of drip drip drip to even get people to respond, now I see a number of friends sharing articles I post and it warms my heart.
Water on a stone, water on a stone......

OutOutBriefCandle · 22/10/2019 22:43

Good for you! Ignore the abuse from the angry mob that will follow!

I am a mature student at uni and tell all the intelligent women I meet about what is going on - and they are immediately onside. All it takes is straight conversation. Even really 'lefty', hippy types are enraged when you start talking about what is happening under their rainbow, liberal noses.

I had a meeting with my daughter's headteacher, just the other day, about these issues, and she was completely receptive and in agreeance.

We have to speak and not be intimidated. Common sense prevails.

GooseFeather · 22/10/2019 23:01

I shared the Times article at the weekend, about rapists self-IDing as female. One person reacted, I could have predicted she was GC. I am quietly, occasionally sharing the 'its so obviously lunacy' type stories, waiting for people to start noticing. But having been berated as a bigot by someone I thought was more intelligent than that, when I 'came out' in person, I am wary.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 22/10/2019 23:28

Well done OP. You are saying what everyone is thinking. I tweet but not under my own name - no problem. I also comment on newspaper articles in my own name and could be googled I guess. But no problem so far - the more people who speak up the easier it is and the weaker the TRAs are.

FWRLurker · 22/10/2019 23:43

Here is the question that can never be answered.

  1. at what point, exactly, during transition is it fair and reasonable for trans women to compete against women?

This usually gets a TON of hemming and hawing and oh well sex isn’t binary anyway and what about intersex and anyway trans women are rare so it won’t matter but no answer to the question

If you cannot answer pt 1 you cannot let male humans compete with female humans, period.

FairfaxAikman · 23/10/2019 05:48

I've repeatedly challenged a WokeBro acquaintance (they/them pronouns, also suspect he occasionallyuses women's loos).
Been called a "terfy piece of shit" (by a female) but on a post about "trans women have periods" I broke it right down to the mechanics of the cycle to show that no they bloody don't, and had a couple of positive replies in amongst more bat-shittery (again from females)

HuggedTree · 23/10/2019 05:56

What’s gender critical mean?

legalseagull · 23/10/2019 07:01

@HuggedTree that gender is not an innate real thing. It's something society has made up and inflicted on us. 'Gender' is dangerous. It's the belief that males and females are so different that if a little boy who likes pink and unicorns must be actually a girl locked inside a boys body

KatvonHostileExtremist · 23/10/2019 08:13

Well done op.

I share stuff, I admit to making the post visable to only certain friends (most people, but missing out certain brainwashed woke)

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 23/10/2019 12:18

It's the handmaidens I find hardest. They have always been with us I guess - there were many women against the vote, against equal pay (yes really - I grew knowing women who said that 'we shouldn't pay female nurses more as it will attract 'the wrong sort'), against abortion rights. Some come on board once the argument has been won - I can't think of many women who would argue against women having the vote now. Would a man ever argue against having equal rights for men? I don't think so. So why do they do it?

andyoldlabour · 23/10/2019 12:50

I suppose I have been posting GC stuff on FB for about 6 months now and I am getting daily friend suggestions - Posie, Lewis Moonie, Fairplay for Women etc. The thing you have to be careful about (as you are posting under a real name) is getting too carried away, so I tend to post factual science based stuff. I did read on RM's twitter, some person saying that "misgendering leads to suicide", which made me worry about the mental health of the person making that statement.

Charley50 · 23/10/2019 12:53

"It continues to astonish me how anyone can take the line that transwomen should be allowed to compete in women's sport."

What Vicky said. I'm continuously gobsmacked that anyone thinks natal men in women's sport is in any way fair or justified.
I post stuff on Facebook. I'm confident that I'm on the right side.

Lamahaha · 26/10/2019 07:36

I'm not in a position to out myself on FB yet -- I've started a new career after retirement and the crossfire could be dire at this point. I even had a PM once from Dr Nicola Williams, advising me not to be so open about my personal details, because I do have a public profile.

I also have lots of FB friends who all belonged to what was once a very active professional forum, where I had hundreds of contacts; we were all very close and comfortable and talked about lots of things, including politics. I was an active member and everyone knew who everyone else was irl.

Many of them were gay or lesbian. They were all extremely liberal, back in the day. This goes back over decades, I think joined around 2005. I was hooked to the forum, we all were, and we were all friends, moaning about spending too much time chatting online on the forum instead of doing what we should be doing.

It was US based. Slowly becoming woker than woke.
Over the last decade, I began hearing about trans issues, exclusively from these friends. One of the very long time members was in fact a transwoman and I and all of us accepted her as such. But more and more the trans talk began to infiltrate everything. I slowly stepped away, and gradually I moved to Facebook, as did most of them.

Most of us are now FB friends. The most outspoken are VERY outspoken on trans issues. They say things like "if you are a TERF unfriend me now!" so I say nothing but just read. That's how I kept informed before mumsnet, but actually very casually, sporadically. It's also where I first heard the term cis.

Over the past week two members of this old group have voiced outrage at some new TRA issue. And today, one of them has posted a long diatribe against the trans cult. She got a reply from another friend who posted a long, long comment which included following paragraphs:

Women have fought long and hard over the centuries for the rights and equality we enjoy today and we are still fighting. So forgive me for being a bit angry when I see a man awarded "Woman of the Year" or a man celebrated for being a "female" model. WTF? There was a running magazineWOMEN'S RUNNINGthat chose a transgender for the cover of their magazine. Thousands of actual biological female runners entered to win but were passed over and for what? So the magazine could make a political statement? Needless to say, I sent them a letter canceling my subscription.

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‪Transgender women are not equal to biological women, IMO. Or should I say they are NOT THE SAME and shouldn't be treated as such.
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I'm a human physiology major. You are either born as a biological male or female, e.g., you have testes or ovaries. Yes, there are some individuals who are born with extra chromosomes and thus testes and ovaries but that is rare. And I get that some people aren't comfortable in their own skin but I see this as more of a mental health issue versus a gender issue. (And I certainly do NOT support tax dollars being used for inmates and other criminals to get "gender reassignment" surgery, which in itself is problematic IMO, just because they don't feel right in their own skin. We'll soon have rapists and pedophiles getting their junk cut off in order to hang out in the women's prison.)
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And it sickens me that these people are now held above actual biological females; our deeds and accomplishments diminished simply because we are happy and content in our own skins. Pretty soon there won't' be a single biological female on any podium anywhere or on any magazine cover, etc. (It's interesting how not many women want to be men. 🤔 )‬

The actual comment is much longe: these are just extracts.
This, to me personally, is HUGE. These are Americans and belong to left-leaning groups and they are finally seeing the light and talking about it!

There is hope.
It's interesting to note that the very woke members have said nothing at all about women in sport, the James Younger case, the Yaniv case... not a word. The above post was instigated by the Always issue.

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